jaej

Okay. This is all well and good on the surface, but if you dig a little deeper you see that in truth the capital punishment system is entirely too inefficient to be of any real use.

Like Og was saying before, unless you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are guilty, you really have no right to kill anyone. And, my opinion is, you don't really anyway. Who gave the government the right to play god, deciding who lives and who dies? Anyway, another problem is that the inmates can just appeal, appeal, appeal to their hearts content. If you're gonna sentence someone to death, take em out back and shoot em. Don't stick them in a cell for 20 years.

While people getting raped and killed is truly tragic, I still don't think it merits anyone's execution. I have faith that anyone can recant from their wicked ways, given the opportunity.

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To OMG ...... Let someone in your family die at the hands of one of these monsters and see how quick you'll want them dead. We are all capable of murder it's our self restraint that keeps it in check.

BTW, Geshtinnanna, if it ever comes down to it... take out the heaviest person first, dry the meat .... if the weakest are eaten first, everyone's life span is shortened .... so I say quit weight watchers all you people who want to be skinny people, the end is coming and I don't plan on dying from hunger, Okay enuf sick humor for now, but if the end comes soon and you weigh more than me .... I'd sleep lightly and make sure I don't have any access to a rock....LOL

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Thats anger making your decision for you - both of you debdodd and gesh.
(your imagining up what it would be like in your minds eye and feeling anger towards it)
anger+thinking=bad thinking
I was molested as a kid. Had a father who abandoned me... Big deal thats life. I don't hold any anger to them. I dont talk to them either but still.
They had ****ed up reasons for what they did.
I haven't had anyone killed in my family, if I did im sure it would be very hard to control my emotions and not make bad decisions.
The big thing is I also dont believe in free will, I think people are essentailly machines just reacting to their enviroment (with some basic insticts like seeking pleasure and avoiding pain).
So for me everyone is destined to do what they do and be what they are.

OMG

Of course you're not, you have different experiences. Your not like anyone else in the world either, because of your experiences.

I believe, if you would have been that guy, you would have done the same thing.

debdodd

Rape of an 18 month old baby is tragic???? Selling 4 year old girls into sex trade is tragic?? Unless you've seen what happens to these "tragic" individuals suffice it to say ..... you've got to be kidding? Recant for their wicked ways? What in the hell could they ever do to "recant" for their "tragic" misdeeds. I didn't imply to kill a shop lifter over a loaf of bread ... but like OG says. .. if you know for sure ..... but why take them out back and shoot 'em? Give them to the victim or the victim's family for justice. I guarentee, the mother of a raped child would not take 'em out back and shoot 'em ... it would be a slow death .... a man would just take a baseball bat or gun and kill them but a woman ..... now she would know how to torture the perp so that death would be welcome and yet she'd let him linger a little longer .... No, I'm sorry but no repenting, no recanting, no redemption for some. The system is far from perfect but it's all we have at present ... the future will find a way to discern the truth without the attorneys to make more money defending and appealing convictions of these worthless pieces of feces! Until that day keep killing them and see if I cry one tear over the fact that it took two flips of the switch to kill that person.

jaej

How cold does it sound, to say that free will is just an illusion, that humans are just machines, albeit sentient ones. I'm not disagreeing, I'm merely stating my instinctive nausea at hearing that. Anyway...

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I can feel the burning hatred and almost see the flames of hell in your eyes in your last post debdodd

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ya it does kinda make you feel worthless at first. (belief that I dont have free will)
But it makes sense. And it doesnt change things for me. I still wanna see whats gonna happen next in my life and others. Just because i dont have free will, doesnt mean i know whats gonna happen next.

jaej

Like you said, there are fates worse than death. I think the killing of a rational, sentient life is fundamentally wrong. Do you hear that? NOTHING justifies the taking of a human life.

Yes, while turning over a criminal to the victim's family may satisfy some short-term anger, revenge is ultimately a petty thing. It causes more strife than resolution.

Have you ever heard of a supermax prison? Basically, instead of having contact with other prisoners, having time to relax and walk around and stuff, you live in a 80 square foot cell, with sound resistant walls that cover most of the cell door, so you can't hear or see other inmates. The government is considering closing down all of them, because of how they violate basic human rights. How is death a greater punishment than that? And in case you're wondering, just because I think the killing of any human is fundamentally wrong, that doesn't mean I'm pro-life. If you care. But that is a whole other discussion entirely.

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Is it just they can 'racant' from their wicked ways and I can't have my uterus back to a healthy state. I was robbed of the right to bare children because of such wicked ways. My state of whole being cannot be repaired. Some damage is done and can never be undone. All I have is the warmth of knowing they are dead...if they could be found that is.
Ha. This is one tasty piece of meat that will BITE BACK!
[quote]I believe, if you would have been that guy, you would have done the same thing.
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That's why that guy needs to be dead. Who knows how many more he's damaged for life.

I was molested numerous times. Bad enough that I have no real memory of it other than the scars inside and a few horrific images. The trauma that was done to me was severe enough to give me actual selective amnesia over it. I cannot be touched without my permission. If so I become violent and aggressive with people. I cannot bare children. And there are other things that are JUST LIFE. I did not deserve that. And I have every right to be angry and exact justice. There is no coming back from that.

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