TSR

I was wondering, is morality only relative to a person personally? Are there not any aboslutes, as I have heard?

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Lanya

I often assume that morality is subjective, but I don't know. That's all I can say.

Abel

There are absolutes in morality. They are found in the Bible. Mankind's morals tend to spiral downward with every passing generation. Since God is unchanging, His standard's are also unchanging.

shadowind

so they are relative to the bible?

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Abel

They are relative in everyday life for anyone willing to live by them.

john76

Abel is right. There are ten commandments. They are given by God. His name is Satan. If you are unfamiliar with his commandments, then here is a link: http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelto...mandments.html

xxkayxx

Do you believe that this nonchanging is good? Surely the bible has Something that has changed for the better?

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WilliamBlue

Yeah, good thing you have that book, you might become a crack smoking thief . The bibles morals are preceded by other books and they all are pretty much the same, the bible did not invent morals.

I believe that morals are an invention of nature so that we can all get along in a group, that being said if you are not considered part of a group their morals may or may not apply to you. So I believe they can be both fixed and relative to whatever group (tribe/religion) you are in.

http://www.leaderu.com/wri-table2/morals.html#Primitive

The Hindus have a cool one;

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shadowind

so their not absolute, but relative to thoses to take their morals from the bible?, in other words their relative to the believers and followers of the bible's interpretation they adhere to.?

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

TSR

I would have to agree with Abel, because everyone who concludes that their are no absolutes in morality are the ones who don't have any concern for being immoral. And if they do, then they do believe there are absolutes, because they have boundaries for what is acceptable. For example, a man once disagreed that pornography was wrong, simply because "there is nothing wrong with it." But when he was asked if child pronography is right or wrong, he said it was wrong. Then when asked what age does child pornography become acceptable, he responded 16. By doing this, he, and many other people, judge what is morally acceptable by when it gives them pleasure. And people commonly say that they do not know what is right or wrong, perhaps cause it removes any guilt they may have of what they have done that is wrong(?). But if someone steals their wallet, murders their children, has intercourse with their wife, or lies to them they immediately know that what has been done to them is wrong. Some people bring up some self-preservation thing, not sure who they are trying to convince, but we know it is wrong when we do it to others as well, not just when it has been done to us. People like that are like a man who has removed the batteries from his smoke detector because he doesn't want it to alarm him.

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