shadowind

na, recongising relative morality and accepting boundrys can go hand in hand. but generaly most people do seem to say what is pleasureable is right and painfull wrong.

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AB517

we have to be careful with personal morality.
You just can't do what you want when you want.

How about conditional vs relative?

romansh

There is no absolute morality (in my opinion)

Much in the same way there are no absolute words .... both are creations of people, gods etc.

Personal morality does exist (I know what I consider to be wise and unwise in a particular situation). Now, if that comes into conflict with my family's values or society's then I must be prepared to pay the consequences.

That an individual's, a faith's or for that matter society's morality are somehow better than each other is clearly ridiculous.

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TSR

Ya thats the problem, even in schools this train of thought has spread, which is really scary considering "the children of today are the parents of tomorow." When people start thinking they can just do whatever they want, chaos follows after. And I think it is sick that some people actually do enjoy things like child pornography, and some other people may agree but still maintain that it isn't absolutely wrong. I am glad I didn't have parents like that.

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TSR

How can someone who says there are no absolutes be so absolutely sure?

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romansh

opinion ....

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TSR

lol. I apreciate the fact that you didn't try to give some twisted philosephy, that gets so annoying.

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romansh

Here's a question, is morality a human invention?
If so?
Can you name me any other human invention that is absolute?

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TSR

I would say no it isn't a human invention, nor do I believe it's the result of some explosion. (Some explosion="big bang" for those who like to have things put in more complex terms for the sake of it) And there are things that are absolute of course, 2+2=4 every time, if I do it a million times over, its result is absolutely four, etc.

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romansh

ok how was morality invented?

I'm not an expert on this:

In cartesian space this is true, but not (necessarily) true when carried out in multidimesional space? So this particular truth is only true when constrained.
Hardly absolute?

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