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Old 03-27-2008, 08:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Girl dies after parents pray instead of seek medical attention

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html
take a peek at this story

this girl died from a treatable illness because instead of being brought to a doctor her parents prayed for her health

my question is, should the parents be held responsible?

i say yes, they should face a penalty of jail time.
as a parent you are responsible for the well being of your children
their negligence in not helping this child with the easily available medical attention she needed is what made her not only die but apparently suffer for 30 days

what do you all think?
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Old 03-27-2008, 09:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Absolutely they should be held accountable! Religion taken to extremes is almost always a bad thing, too bad it wasn't a parent that got sick and died. I better quit now or I might go off...

They are wrong about the girl dieing from diabetes, she died from stupidity.
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
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They should be put on trial for torture and murder. Furthermore, the church that promoted this behavior should be treated as a criminal organization running cons for money that result in murder and torture.

I also wonder how this has effected the faith of the parents. What must they be asking themselves and what do their prayers look like now? If there's no remorse for their actions, these people should be tried as first degree pre-meditated murder and the death penalty should apply. If they have remorse and where truly duped, then the 2nd degree murder statue applies (reckless disregard for human life resulting in the death of an individual).

I imagine that the 2nd degree statue applies better and at least, all people in the advisory chain up into the church should be treated to manslaughter charges. It's just like a pharmaceutical company that intentionally makes a drug that will KILL 8/10 cancer patients but cure 2/10 (i.e. the spontaneous remission rate of many cancers).
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I also wonder how this has effected the faith of the parents.
according the police chief the parents said they did not have enough faith

also, apparently they went to no organized church or participated in any organized religion
they only participated in "a bible study of a few people"
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Whoah, spend a few days on an agnostic forum, and holy crap! i didn't even realize there were people that crazy....>.>
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Psalm 118:8.. look it up.

It takes religion to make otherwise kind/reasonable people to do evil things.
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Well that explains alot
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Not only that, but there's this crazy chain letter/idea that goes around out there about how psalm 118:8 is the central verse of the bible LITERALLY. They claim that if you count up all the verses and divide by 2 that you end up at this verse.

Just google "center of the bible" and you'll find it. This kind of thinking is dangerous for a society. Their entire little bible study group should be tried as conspirators in the torture and murder of the young girl!
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Originally Posted by Robert A. Heinlein
"All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young
children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or folly,
which can - and must - be dumped in emergency to preserve this prime
function. As racial survival is the only universal morality, no other basic
is possible. Attempts to formulate a "perfect society" on any foundation
other than "Women and children first!" is not only witless, it is
automatically genocidal. Nevertheless, starry-eyed idealists (all of them
male) have tried endlessly - and no doubt will keep on trying."
Thought this was relevant.
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that quote reminds me of titanic.....
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