Girl dies after parents pray instead of seek medical attention - Page 4

Lanya · 03-30-2008, 09:40 AM

Assuming I don't know whether God exists, much less whether He answers prayers,

and assuming I don't know whether an absolute morality exists, what it is,

I don't know if this was right or wrong.

Granted, if I were in the girl's shoes, I think I'd desperately want absolute morality to exist and dictate that they should call the hospital. Nevertheless, I also assume those emotions would only cover my uncertainty.

Og · 03-30-2008, 01:30 PM

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They should be put on trial for torture and murder. Furthermore, the church that promoted this behavior should be treated as a criminal organization running cons for money that result in murder and torture.

Og how would you reconcile this with

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Originally Posted by Joseph Campbell .... but one of the greatest challenges in life is to say "yea" to that person or that act or that condition which in your mind is most abominable. Power of Myth

I'd say that Campbell was talking about other autonomous cultures to which we are not a party and who have developed their culture and rituals due to a unique environment in which they live.

The people in the above article are part of our culture. Our culture has developed rules to protect children. These people are part of our culture as they enjoyed the infrastructure and security that our culture provided and supposedly took part in the governance through funding (via their taxes) of that government.

They are welcome to explore whatever religious avenues they want. This does not negate the cultural rules we have put in place to protect children.

At least that's how I'd reconcile the perceived problem.

duck · 03-30-2008, 01:32 PM

Well put, Og. My feelings on the matter exactly.

romansh · 03-30-2008, 04:54 PM

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I'd say that Campbell was talking about other autonomous cultures to which we are not a party and who have developed their culture and rituals due to a unique environment in which they live.

JC is talking about judging and being judged, the affirmation of life at this point, Bill Moyers questions "abominable", and this leads JC to the simile of the two birds on a branch. To me it's about partaking in life.

page 82 in my copy of the Power of Myth, chapter The Journey Inward

Og · 03-30-2008, 09:03 PM

Cool. I like that story about the birds.

romansh · 03-31-2008, 09:49 PM

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Cool. I like that story about the birds.

It rings true for me too.
So I suppose on this particular occasion, that makes me the observer and you the 'actor'.

Ice_Monkey · 06-08-2008, 09:43 AM

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html
take a peek at this story

this girl died from a treatable illness because instead of being brought to a doctor her parents prayed for her health

my question is, should the parents be held responsible?

i say yes, they should face a penalty of jail time.
as a parent you are responsible for the well being of your children
their negligence in not helping this child with the easily available medical attention she needed is what made her not only die but apparently suffer for 30 days

what do you all think?

Parents who do this sort of thing should be treated as if they just killed their child because they suspected that she was a witch. But the average quasi-believer can't do that. Actually, he's damned if he does, damned if he don't. He can't condemn someone who has greater faith in his god than he does, yet he can't defend them because he knows he'll look like a retard in doing so. This is why the case won't get the attention it should. These people should be treated, at the very least, as if they were criminally insane... as if they had just drilled holes into her head to let the bad spirits out. But many will give a free pass to this idiocy taken to its inevitable murderous end simply because the brain disease the parents are infested with is religion.

Ice_Monkey · 06-08-2008, 09:46 AM

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Assuming I don't know whether God exists, much less whether He answers prayers,

and assuming I don't know whether an absolute morality exists, what it is,

I don't know if this was right or wrong.

Do society a favor and don't ever leave your house.

Ice_Monkey · 06-08-2008, 09:51 AM

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Has anybody heard of the story of that one woman who drowned like 5 sons, because "god told her to"? This happened awhile ago i think, and she said that god had told her that her sons were going to grow up into thieves, and such, and to save them she would have to kill them. Needless to say, she was charged with murder =(

Yates. Andrea Yates. She joins a list of people who obeyed the supposedly divine voices in their heads.

But society doesn't know what, really, to do with these people. The problem arises from the fact that so many are stupid enough and/or brainwashed enough to actually think fictional characters such as Abraham are good role models.

Lanya · 06-08-2008, 12:16 PM

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Assuming I don't know whether God exists, much less whether He answers prayers,

and assuming I don't know whether an absolute morality exists, what it is,

I don't know if this was right or wrong.

Do society a favor and don't ever leave your house.

1. I leave my home everyday. What will you do?

2. Do you think it impossible to be able to obey laws while doubting their morality?