Gay Marriage - Page 9

Faith · 02-13-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MartheGod

That's right, I said God made gay people. Because if you believe in God, he HAD to create gay people or they wouldn't exist. The fact that there are gay people would be GOD'S FAULT.

If God created everything. there should be proof that he did just that. Saying that science will never be able to prove God created everything does not help your point that God exists and that he created everything.

Unbelievers? What does that mean? Everyone who isn't Christian? You do realize that there were people on Earth BEFORE Christianity and there are still many who don't know anything about Christianity. Thanks for insulting all non-Christians. Unbelievers do not believe that they are worth "nothing." That's what YOU think. We don't have to prove to you that we believe we are worth something. We just live our lives. We have faith in things besides God and Jesus Christ. What exactly is your problem with science? You're typing on this forum BECAUSE of science. If you get sick, you can get well BECAUSE of science. Hell, science does more things for people than God.

First of all God did create the people who become gay, he didn't make them gay. They made that decision on their own. Christianity was here when and before the world was made, as there was always Christ. Science is here because of God, so how can it do more than him? And how can science heal my sickness, if God doesn't keep science working. We get better because of God, people do good because of God, just as people do evil because of Satan. But people don't seem to have a problem with Satan who causes hate, anger, sin, homosexuality, death, and many other things. He tries to pull people from God so that they can burn with him. But I don't hear any complaints about him...God does all the good in the world and he gets the blame for the evil, ya that makes alot of sence...

Faith · 02-13-2007, 11:59 PM

People can believe 4 people who make a statement in court, but can't believe much more than that as well as everything else being proof of God. People do not understand God, and therefore reject him. Sometimes when he does things people don't understand they scoff at him.

There is everything in the world as proof, God's word, and 3 special ocasions, ALL based on Jesus. The book, "God doesn't believe in Atheists" is a good book. You know, there is no such thing as an Atheist. NO SUCH THING. Read the post in the bible and its flaws(which there is none) and read for yourself.

Vinterland · 02-14-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin

Good point. I also think its rather hypocritical that even though the bible precludes divorce except in cases of adultery, the divorce rate is actually higher among evangelical christians than among the general population (interestingly, atheists and agnostics have the lowest divorce rate). I read that some baptist denomination is now doing "covanent marriages" based on these biblical principles, but apparently they're not too popular, even among bible-belt Christians. So mush for the "sanctity of marriage."

Where did you read this? It sounds right to me being that Christian's are so immoral anyhow, but I'd like to see the source.

Vinterland · 02-14-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Faith

First of all God did create the people who become gay, he didn't make them gay. They made that decision on their own. Christianity was here when and before the world was made, as there was always Christ. Science is here because of God, so how can it do more than him? And how can science heal my sickness, if God doesn't keep science working. We get better because of God, people do good because of God, just as people do evil because of Satan. But people don't seem to have a problem with Satan who causes hate, anger, sin, homosexuality, death, and many other things. He tries to pull people from God so that they can burn with him. But I don't hear any complaints about him...God does all the good in the world and he gets the blame for the evil, ya that makes alot of sence...

You do realise the doctrine of Biblical Inerrancy has never been proven, right? Because it never has, a Christian has no obligation to read the Bible as a literal truth.

Faith · 02-14-2007, 12:16 AM

OMG, some people never learn. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN! It is by faith, that we follow God's word, so yes, we are obligated. I am not gambling on my soul. If you wish to, then that is your mistake. And uh, maybe you haven't noticed, you live in God's world and are bound to God's laws. When you can break free from God physical laws and prove me otherwise, give me a shout, ok?

Vinterland · 02-14-2007, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Faith

OMG, some people never learn. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN! It is by faith, that we follow God's word, so yes, we are obligated. I am not gambling on my soul. If you wish to, then that is your mistake. And uh, maybe you haven't noticed, you live in god's world and are bound to God's laws. When you can break free from God physical laws and prove me otherwise, give me a shout, ok?

No, Christian's aren't obligated to believe in the doctrine of Biblical Inerrancy. Faith is required to believe in God and Christ's Resurrection, but how to read the Bible is an entirely different issue. Because there are other literary and historical writing spanning the time the Bible was written, it is possible to use Exegesis to determine whether or not the Bible is inerrant. Most Christian's have come to the truth that it is indeed errant. You're on your own saying the otherwise.

Faith · 02-14-2007, 12:58 AM

No I am not alone saying the "otherwise", and yes WE ARE OBLIGATED to read the bible. If you have faith in Christ, then you have faith in what he says. To follow God's law. Tell me when Jesus said, "Do not read the bible" I would really like to see where he said this. He says to fear God, and what does God tell us to do? Read his word i.e the bible.

Vinterland · 02-14-2007, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Faith

No I am not alone saying the "otherwise", and yes WE ARE OBLIGATED to read the bible. If you have faith in Christ, then you have faith in what he says. To follow God's law. Tell me when Jesus said, "Do not read the bible" I would really like to see where he said this. He says to fear God, and what does God tell us to do? Read his word i.e the bible.

You have comprehension problems. Where did I say Christian's are not obligated to read the Bible?

Faith · 02-14-2007, 01:18 AM

Why are you reading God's word if you do not believe in what he says. How mad would you think it makes God for you not to believe him?

Quote:When a young man once looked at me and said, "I find it hard to believe some of the things in the Bible," I smiled and asked, "What's your name?" When he said, "Paul," I casually answered, "I don't believe you." He looked at me questioningly. I repeated, "What's your name?" Again he said, "Paul," and again I answered, "I don't believe you." Then I asked, "Where do you live?" When he told me, I said, "I don't believe that either." You should have seen his reaction. He was angry. I said, "You look a little upset. Do you know why? You're upset because I didn't believe what you told me. If you tell me that your name is Paul, and I say, 'I don't believe you,' it means that I think you are a liar. You are trying to deceive me by telling me your name is Paul, when it's not." Then I told him that if he, a mere man, felt insulted by my lack of faith in his word, how much more does he insult Almighty God by refusing to believe His Word. In doing so, he was saying that God isn't worth trusting -- that He is a liar and a deceiver. The Bible says, "He who does not believe God has made Him a liar," (1 John 5:10). It also says, "Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief. . ." (Hebrews 3:12). Martin Luther said, "What greater insult . . . can there be to God, than not to believe His promises."

Vinterland · 02-14-2007, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Faith

Why are you reading God's word if you do not believe in what he says. How mad would you think it makes God for you not to believe him?

So, that when I'm talking to Christian's I can know if they're lying to me. When they figure out a kid such as I has much more knowledge about the Bible than they do, they usually resort to what you've stated below.

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Quote:When a young man once looked at me and said, "I find it hard to believe some of the things in the Bible," I smiled and asked, "What's your name?" When he said, "Paul," I casually answered, "I don't believe you." He looked at me questioningly. I repeated, "What's your name?" Again he said, "Paul," and again I answered, "I don't believe you." Then I asked, "Where do you live?" When he told me, I said, "I don't believe that either." You should have seen his reaction. He was angry. I said, "You look a little upset. Do you know why? You're upset because I didn't believe what you told me. If you tell me that your name is Paul, and I say, 'I don't believe you,' it means that I think you are a liar. You are trying to deceive me by telling me your name is Paul, when it's not." Then I told him that if he, a mere man, felt insulted by my lack of faith in his word, how much more does he insult Almighty God by refusing to believe His Word. In doing so, he was saying that God isn't worth trusting -- that He is a liar and a deceiver.The Bible says, "He who does not believe God has made Him a liar," (1 John 5:10). It also says, "Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief. . ." (Hebrews 3:12). Martin Luther said, "What greater insult . . . can there be to God, than not to believe His promises."