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Old 12-24-2006, 03:01 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I remember as a kid seeing two men kiss each other on the lips in the TV series 'The Untouchables' back in the 60's and it literally made me feel sick in every fibre of my being, that's because as a hetero male I'm programmed to automatically be repelled by it, I just couldn't help it.
(The guys weren't gay, they were Mafia hoodlums and it was some sort of ritualistic 'kiss of death', but it disgusted me anyway)
No, that's because you were raised in a conservative society (as, no doubt, almost all of mainsteam society was back in the 60's). If you were raised in the late 90's by two fathers (or two mothers), their kissing each other would seem normal and acceptable.
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Old 12-24-2006, 11:14 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I like gays and lesbians and transexuals/transvestites,as the world would be a drabber place without 'em, in fact i think God showed his sense of humour by putting them in the world to send stuffy fundie xtians bananas :)
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We're all sinners in one way or another, for example motorists are killing asthmatic kids, just look at any church car park. (i don't drive)
Gays lesbians and trannies are no better or worse than anybody else and will have to take their chances on Judgement Day along with the rest of us..
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Old 12-26-2006, 08:22 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I really think people are making to much of Gay marriages. I really don't condone it . But I feel it is their choice and not for me to decide no matter what the religion.
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:26 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I'm not really gay, but I have some gay friends. They've told me that they've always been gay and they didn't know why they were gay. Scientists are starting to think that being gay may be a genetic thing. Psychologists (My major! ^_^) believe that being gay is genetic. I'm going to have to go with my friends, the scientists, and psychologists and say that being gay is not a choice and is a genetic thing. Therefore, I believe that gay people should be allowed to get married. It's messed up to be denied rights b/c of something that you cannot help. I mean, imagine if you couldn't see your spouse in the hospital or, if your spouse died, you couldn't keep your lover's items or house and be throw out onto the street. You'd be torn. I don't really know why people would be against things that have NO effect on them. I mean, how would two guys who love each other affect your life or your marriage? It's so stupid. The entire thing is about rights. Gay people don't just want marriage just to pee off Christians or whatever. They just want to be allowed the same rights as everyone else.
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:33 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Okay, genius. People were gay WAY before the AIDS thing, so please think before you speak. Many celebrated philosphers, scientists, artists were gay. So, you're not going to like them because they were gay? Being gay is NOT a choice. It's a genetic thing. You got up because a supposed (How do you know he was gay?) gay person sat next to you? How immature and idiotic!What, you thought he'd give you AIDS because he sat next to you? How immature! Educate yourself about homosexuality because homophobia is a disease. Most gay people just want to live their lives just like you. Quit with the homophobia.
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A good example of people not sticking to Gods game plan can be found in the AIDS explosion, he warned gays not to do it but they ignored him and paid with their lives,wrecking their miraculous God-given immune system and spreading it into the non-gay population to boot.
Incidentally,in discussions with gays,I'm amazed how many of them say the AIDS epidemic is nothing to do with them!
The timeline says otherwise;AIDS was unheard of throughout thousands of years of human history,then exploded right about the time the Gay Rights Movement thing began 25 years ago.That certainly is no coincidence, heck it was even called the Gay Plague because they started it!
Now they're trying to pass the blame on to monkeys which is ridiculous because monkeys don't hang in gay bars,or mens toilets, they don't cruise Clapham Common, they don't go on Gay Parades and they don't read gay mags or watch gay videos..
Hey, a gay chap sat next to me on a park bench last year so I got up quick and walked off, I suppose I should be glad it wasn't a bleddy gorilla that sat next to me..
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Old 01-24-2007, 12:13 PM   #46 (permalink)
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The problem with gay marriages is that there will be other groups who will give similar reasons why they should also be allowed to marry: especially polygamous and incestuous marriages. if it's about LOVE or about ADULTS who want to SHARE their lives together, then we should allow them to marry. you may be disgusted by polygamy or incest, but many people are disgusted by homosexuality. and the question 'how does it interfere with your life if a gay couple gets married' can also be asked about those.
So if you are willing to open the floodgates. so be it.

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how is "allowing gay marriage" opening the flood gates to polygamy or incest? That's just silly. It's a relationship between 2 consenting adults. It has nothing to do with polygamy (multiple adults) or incest (genetic relations). Two adults is two adults. I personally see no problem with polygamist marriages or incestual marriages anyway, but allowing gay marriage doesn't weaken any of the reasons for restricting the other types..
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Old 01-24-2007, 02:30 PM   #48 (permalink)
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It's a relationship between 2 consenting adults
first, a brother and a sister are also 2 consenting adults; second what is so holy about the number 2? so when the religious right say that being of opposite sex is holy that's nonsense. but that number 2 is holy is not. o.k.
It is possible to be in love with more than one person (happened to me). There are many couples where one of them has a lover and the other spouse doesn't care, so de facto it's a polygamous relationship. who are you (the collective you) to tell such a triangle that they don't love each other? actually the religious right says the same thing about gays: they don't love each other, they are perverts and they are bunch of hedonists. Beware lest you become like them.

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It has nothing to do with polygamy (multiple adults) or incest (genetic relations)
If the same reasons given for gay marriage apply to those then it does.

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...polygamy (multiple adults) ...incest (genetic relations)
Thank you for DEFINING polygamy and incest.
According to your logic I can say : "heterosexual marriage has nothing to do with gay marriage (same-sex relations). A man and a women are a man and a women"

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allowing gay marriage doesn't weaken any of the reasons for restricting the other types.
I've just given, in my original post, some of the reasons I hear all the time for gay marriage, and it's quite clear that those can be used, as is or with minor modification, to allow the other kinds of marriages.

However, if you can supply other reasons do share.
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Old 01-24-2007, 04:33 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I think gays should be allowed to disrespect marriage as much as straights do.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:52 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Redcliff, homosexuality is a GENETIC thing. This has already been proven by psychologists, scientists, and gay people (Okay, they're not really objective in their views, but I have a lot of gay friends and they've just...always been gay. ::Shrugs:. Incest and Polygamy are not. They are choices (Not like love is really a concious choice, but you know what I mean ^_^). Homosexuality is not a choice. Gay people can't help being attracted to the same sex just like straight people can't help being attracted to the opposite sex.

Oh, and some people are disgusted because they are ignorant and know nothing about homosexuality (Some also want to combine state and church and teach I.D. in schools as a "science" -_-). Some idiots still think it is a choice (Why you would CHOOSE to be denied jobs, beating to death, and generally hated by half the population is beyond me). That's THEIR problem. There is a reason homophobia is called homoPHOBIA.

People were also disgusted by interracial marriage (Pretty sure they brought up the crap about beastiality and such too.). People are always going to be disgusted by something. Since homosexuality is genetic and is exactly like heterosexuality except there are two people of the same sex, I think gay people should be allowed to get married. Now, we could change the polygamy or incest thing one day, but these people don't have the "genetic" argument. Oh, and other countries have already implented gay marriage and they're doing just fine. I just destroyed your argument.

Oh, and one more thing: Intersexed people (People with ambiguous genitalia, chromosomes, hormones etc.). If marriage is supposed to be between a MAN and a WOMAN, where do they fit in? Something to think about.

People are always going to bring up the crap that if gay marriage is allowed people can marry their sisters, or dogs or anything. Right...In all actuality, I wouldn't mind if incest couples got married...as long as they didn't have children. And I think the ban on polygamy is stupid. If you want to have more than one spouse, I don't care. ^_^ Bestiality is fine with me (Whatever floats your boat, I guess. Might wanna schedule an appointment with a psychologist, though...), but the marriage thing won't work because A.) Two completely different species and B.) One half cannot consent b/c we can't understand animal language.

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first, a brother and a sister are also 2 consenting adults; second what is so holy about the number 2? so when the religious right say that being of opposite sex is holy that's nonsense. but that number 2 is holy is not. o.k.
It is possible to be in love with more than one person (happened to me). There are many couples where one of them has a lover and the other spouse doesn't care, so de facto it's a polygamous relationship. who are you (the collective you) to tell such a triangle that they don't love each other? actually the religious right says the same thing about gays: they don't love each other, they are perverts and they are bunch of hedonists. Beware lest you become like them.



If the same reasons given for gay marriage apply to those then it does.



Thank you for DEFINING polygamy and incest.
According to your logic I can say : "heterosexual marriage has nothing to do with gay marriage (same-sex relations). A man and a women are a man and a women"



I've just given, in my original post, some of the reasons I hear all the time for gay marriage, and it's quite clear that those can be used, as is or with minor modification, to allow the other kinds of marriages.

However, if you can supply other reasons do share.
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