Gay Marriage - Page 3

DizzyDee · 12-01-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Vfr

Gay union for legal or love reasons is OK, but gay marriage is against natural law and unnatural.

What about it is unnatural? Do you mean that homosexual sex is unnatural or just gay marriage? If you mean that homosexual sex is unnatural take a look at human history - it has been with us through the ages. Take a look at the animal kingdom - many species are homosexual or bi-sexual - I actually think there was a post on the board somewhere about this. If gay marriage is unnatural, is it because those marriages won't result in families with children - again, lots of gay and lesbian couples find ways to parent children and are already doing it and lots of heterosexual couples choose not to have children or can not have children. Does that make their marriage "unnatural"?

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Originally Posted by Vfr

But marriage is all man made anyway.

I agree. Maybe because marriage is all man made and not found in "nature" it in itself is "unnatural".

Just some things to think about.

Sagacious · 12-01-2006, 11:57 AM

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Natural law (Latin jus naturale) is law that exists independently of the positive law of a given political order, society or nation-state. It is simultaneously a legal philosophy or perspective, and a genre of law - depending on the jurisdiction in which the term is used. The theory of natural law was introduced by Aristotle before being further developed within a Christian context by St Thomas Aquinas.

As a genre, natural law is the law of nature—that is, the principle that some things are as they are, because that is how they are. This use is especially valid in Scotland, where "natural law" operates as a genre of law parallel to both civil and criminal law, and its discussion is not limited to human beings.

As a philosophical perspective, especially in the English and American legal traditions, the principles of natural law are expressed, obliquely or openly, in such documents as Magna Carta and the United States Declaration of Independence, when rights are discussed, explicitly or implicitly, as being inherent. For example, the expression "...that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..." expresses such a right that is discussed as being inherent. The words that immediately precede that expression: "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, ..." express a natural law philosophy.

- Wikipedia.com ( Natural law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

"Christian context" - I think that's why someone could say it goes against natural law.

MickinEngland · 12-18-2006, 11:17 PM

When the crew of the Nostromo picked up a distress beacon they went to investigate and got zapped by aliens. Too late they realised it wasn't a distress beacon but a warning beacon to stay away.
Likewise the Bibles full of similar warning beacons, such as the one saying "stay away from homosexuality".
People ignored the beacon and got AIDS..

I like gays and lesbians and transexuals/transvestites,as the world would be a drabber place without 'em, in fact i think God showed his sense of humour by putting them in the world to send stuffy fundie xtians bananas

Here's a contender I hope to see become Archbishop of Canterbury one day -
BBC - Oxford Sport - Julian Clary review

We're all sinners in one way or another, for example motorists are killing asthmatic kids, just look at any church car park. (i don't drive)
Gays lesbians and trannies are no better or worse than anybody else and will have to take their chances on Judgement Day along with the rest of us..

baileym1 · 12-19-2006, 09:14 PM

I agree. All of us have sinned or been wrong in one way or another. Gays and lesbians are neither in their sexual orientation, but they are people.

berlinlife06 · 12-21-2006, 04:54 AM

I don´t believe in marriage, although I was married too at one point in my life. But if some people that happen to love each other, want to get serious about it and have a paper that says that they are a couple and they can file taxes together and they can inherit each other and they can have and adopt kids and they can help each other in case of inmigration, and be responsible for each other in case of sickness, and be considered a family, then so be it! It is just equal rights for everybody! That has NOTHING to do with God or the Bible, or even Other people´s marriages! If a new marriage means that an old one gets invalid, then I might think ok, the people that oppose gay marriage are afraid of loosing theirs... but that is not the case!

Ronin · 12-21-2006, 11:45 AM

Exactly. Whether or not the Bible or any other religious text condemns homosexuality is irrelevant - America is not a theocracy. If its not hurting anyone else, the state should butt out. What your church says about it (if you belong to one) is between you and them.

MickinEngland · 12-21-2006, 11:55 AM

Incidentally I applied to be a volunteer at a local charity shop last year even though the manager's gay, but I don't care, he's a nice guy..
("Sorry we've got all the vols we need right now" he said..)

Ronin · 12-21-2006, 12:04 PM

Oh, yeah, and as for AIDS: human beings have practiced homosexuality (openly or not) for thousands of years, but the HIV virus only entered the human population fairly recently due to our encroachment on the habitat of its natural carriers, non-human primates (and that initial jump was probably related to people hunting monkeys for food and had nothing to do with sex). It was first introduced into the San Francisco gay community and spread like wildfire due in part to their sexual practices (the virus is more easily transmitted by anal sex than vaginal sex), but the major factor was the casual promiscuity of that particular sub-culture. If the first American to contract AIDS had been, say, a prostitute in some particularly promiscious heterosexual community, then Jerry Falwell would doubtless be attributing AIDS to God's judgement on extramarital sex rather than homosexuality. Homosexuals in general are no more likely to have multiple partners than heterosexuals: in fact, the greatest risk factor for AIDS now is poverty, and in poor nations such as most of Africa AIDS is prevelent among the heterosexual community, whether promiscuous or not.

MickinEngland · 12-21-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin

the HIV virus only entered the human population fairly recently due to our encroachment on the habitat of its natural carriers, non-human primates...

Nah I don't buy that at all, I mean monkeys don't hang in gay bars..

DizzyDee · 12-21-2006, 02:32 PM

Mick, do some research on the origens on HIV - it didn't magically turned up in gay communities - nor is it restricted to gay communities. It affects millions of people, regardless of sexual orientation or religious beliefs.