debdodd

[quote=The An-Jel;6547]Just creepy I don't really believe as I stated that homosexuality really exists as prevalent as it does either. I believe there is more of a chance there is a God than there is the number of homosexuals that presently exist. Nature has it's flukes as with any species in the world but nah not like this.

You're right a number of male to female transsexuals do end up becoming lesbians but it isn't something that can be easily explained. I know it's a difficult concept to wrap around ... I mean when they were men they could probably have more women as a man than they do as a sex changed female, etc,

I've discussed this numerous times with my friends and it's not as you would think in that aspect.... just because they became women, doesn't mean they haven't thought like a female for years. The fact that they are now with women the same as before their sexual reassignment just means they thought as a lesbian before they had the surgery ... I hope I said that right.

Some are attracted to women before and after surgery and there are others that want to be with a man as a woman but that doesn't make them gay. I have friends that have gone both ways. I assume with the guy that you worked with she has more acceptance from a more butch lesbian than a feminine lesbian (often referred to as a lipstick lesbian). Many have a difficult transition back into society after sexual reassignment surgery.

Their family disown them, their friends and co workers some times abandon them. I have a lot of empathy for them. It is a very brave thing to do especially knowing how much of society will shun them. They have to see a therapist, get intensive therapy prior to even starting hormone therapy and then they have to live an additional year as a female without benefit of surgery. All in all, it's a tough road to travel. They have to be really committed to this or they don't get the waivers that they need to have the surgery.

Are you saying that you think that statistics are wrong? That statistics over estimate how many gays there are? If that is so, I think you would be surprised by how many people have alternative life styles. It's more prevalent than what you think. You would be amazed at how many married men have boyfriends on the side. At our medical practice there was a minister who came in with his wife, he wanted to start female hormones. She said as long as he could keep it hidden under his church robes she didn't care. We had sooooo many guys that had a secret life on the side. They didn't want to upset their kids and family so they kept it on the down low.

I read up, and talked to many when we first began accepting transgendered patients into our practice. I found the psychology of it very interesting.

jaej

There's this kid in my school who says homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to be married because marriage started with the church. He has no problem with civil unions, he takes issue with the title 'marriage', which I think is slightly ironic.

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The An-Jel

Marrige is In The Eyes Of The Law and thats all the homosexuals want. Hell give it to them if thats what they want. Who does it hurt.

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel Just creepy I don't really believe as I stated that homosexuality really exists as prevalent as it does either. I believe there is more of a chance there is a God than there is the number of homosexuals that presently exist. Nature has it's flukes as with any species in the world but nah not like this.

I like your post almost. Here's the deal... ancient Rome and Greece had a lot of excess and people got bored and they invented new perversions and ways to express themselves. Sexuality becomes as diverse and unproductive (Sex is suppose to be about reproduction and not about pleasure you know and it's a plus that it is pleasurable for us unlike some others of the animal species.) Now I have a couple questions. What is it that they feel and think like a woman about? The frilly pretty society created things that women guide themselves onto. A strong hunter gatherer that will prolong their genetic pool? I look at the basic things like food, water, shelter, and baring offspring, the usual human stuff when a person wants to change their plumbing I think they might want the opposite. The women tend the fire, care for the children, and essentially provide for the cave aka the home. The man hunts the food and the rest of the same thing the woman does when he isn't hunting down the meat needed. It's a symbiotic relationship and a fruitful one between a man and a woman. Nothing wrong or degrading with it until lesser minds undermine the definition and put man or woman in an unnatural place. No I don't believe the statistics are right and no I don't think most transexuals are honest with themselves as society is just as dishonest with itself.

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Maximus

Well in most of the world there are no laws protecting the gays from discrimination, not to mention the many countries which condemn homosexuality to death.

Marriage is just a word used to define a written statement of a relationship bound financially, that's all it is.

I don't see why the queers are so hyped about wanting to get married, the way I see it is, gays shouldn't be allowed to get married simply because they cannot themselves produce children. So yes by that notion I also think that in a straight relationship if one of the partners is sterile or infertile that marriage is also meaningless and should not be allowed.

With that said civil unions are all out in the open.

Gringo

"I don't see why the queers are so hyped about wanting to get married, the way I see it is, gays shouldn't be allowed to get married simply because they cannot themselves produce children.

So yes by that notion I also think that in a straight relationship if one of the partners is sterile or infertile that marriage is also meaningless and should not be allowed."


So the widower and widow who meet later in life and get married, have a meaningless marriage.

The "sterile" couple who can't have children, through no fault of their own, have a meaningless marriage.

You post HAS to be a joke. Surely to God, you don't REALLY feel that way.

I didn't know whether to laugh AT you

Or cry FOR you.

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lauraclay

If marriage is just a written statement for financial purposes, what does the production of children have to do with it? And what is the difference between marriage and a civil union then?

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When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
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Maximus

You mean people getting married in their 50s? Yeah I don't see the point of that.

They can still have a civil union with all the finance involved but marriage is meaningless in my opinion.

Maximus

Okay sorry I must have been drunk, it happens, I meant to say civil unions are financial and marriage is also but marriage should only be allowed for those wanting to have children inside the marriage.

Just my opinion I mean I don't see the point of two people getting married and never having kids even though they can.

lauraclay

Is marriage about love or procreation? Cuz last time I checked, it was about love. Where in the vows of marriage do you vow to bear children?

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and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits.
When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten.

The purpose of words is to convey ideas.
When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

Maximus

Yeah well I never got that since the divorce rate is so damn high nowadays love really doesn't stick now does it? No.