Buddha

Hahaha.

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GX

Me too. I formulated a challenge on page 6 of this thread for anyone to debate the social costs of illegality vs the social costs of legality and no one took me up on the challenge and we have quite a few intellectual heavyweights who post here who were ambivalent about legalizing it. I dont mean to brag, but I can shred to pieces any argument against legalization and Im sure you can as well.

Ice_Monkey

Is it more than just a coincidence that those against legalizing it are also cowards?

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romansh

Just a curiosity, do you guys believe in good and evil, and right and wrong?

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debdodd

actually jaej ... they have gotten some legalized drugs from the studies of pot .... for people who have illnesses which cause extreme nausea and need an appetite stimulant they have pulled together the chemical compounds from pot that gives one the "munchies" ... so those folks that want to grow and smoke for medicinal reasons can get those same effects from a pill and not the THC or the "high" .....

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debdodd

you can't possibly believe that the dealers want it legalized .... they would loose their huge profits ... you've got those that don't want it legalized for religious/criminal reason and those that make a profit by it ..... the proponents of legalization are usually the users who are tired of paying the high prices of the dealers and wish to grow their own ...

the war of words on legalization is on the same par as what the moonshiners go through .... they haven't solved that problem either .... the problem begins once people grow their own and then decide to make a profit off it.

A person that grows one plant for personal consumption usually doesn't have anything to worry about ...

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GX

Not at all. Everyone is "right" given their model of the world. From the poor thief, to the sexually repressed pervert to the ruthless dictator with perceived grievances. Im not saying that what these people do is "good" and they shouldnt be stopped or incarcerated. We as a society and individuals need to look deeper to solve these problems. Making up a bunch of laws is only treating the symptom and in the long run perpetuates and makes worse the problem through inactivity to other means. To end the madness will take wholesale change on an individual and subsequently societal level.

GX

Everything you said is true Deb. I would like to add that governments do not want it legalized because drug profits subsidizes their nefarious schemes "off the books and record". Also the lumber, petroleum and cotton industries do not want it legal because it would cut into their profits.

As far as the person who grows it for personal use, they do have one big thing to worry about and that is getting a job. Most employers test for cannabis use and it stays in your system for a month, unlike the hard drugs that get flushed out after a couple of days. Denying someone an opportunity to make a living for what they do with a relatively benign substance on their off hours is reprehensible.

debdodd

true but with the economics being as tight as they are some companies are doing less drug testing .... we don't do them at our company any longer unless the person has an accident/injury ... then they get tested ... there are herbs that can help .... also, if you are only an occasional smoker ... it comes within the the parameters of variables and they call it a negative test ... you have to show over a specific amount or else .... this whole "I was at a party and they were smoking and that's why my test was positive" is total bullshit ...

if you know you have to take a drug screen for a job ... just lay off for a couple of weeks .... or else get your doc to write a script for marinol marinol prescriptions null and void the test

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Ice_Monkey

no, and no, yes, and yes. (You know people who don't?)

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