Og

This was correlating giving a blastocyst to researchers with those other things.

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jaej

While this baby may have a functioning 'brain', it has no experience with which to process thought. Like I said, it has never even taken a breath. It has none of the complex cognitive functions that living, breathing people have. It isn't sentient. While it may have the capability to think, reason, etc., it does not have the experience. It has never had a thought, because it doesn't know what thought is. It has only the same environment. The process of learning comes from different experiences, which happens only after birth.

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The An-Jel

Yeah never been a huge fan of biology or medicine and I only get a lot more negative when I hear about the science Og is performing. I get less when I hear about the latest defects in the latest pills to end all pills that come out on the market. Maybe the stem cells taken from the embryo's maybe these lives were destined to help the world in this fashion. While the very conception of the inception of actual life will be argued to the end of time or until scientist come to the absolute conclusion that we are simply biological machines and no form of life as we think it now to be (it's coming if it hasn't already come about 70 years ago or longer) well I'll simply state that life starts when that fertilzed egg is comfortably being nurtured in the womb. You can seperate all the woman parts and be more explicit on your time.

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Og

That, or we'll get rid of this idea that life is important just for the sake of life. We'll get rid of the idea that a baby is a life if it's going to grow up in a crappy ass environment. We'll get rid of the idea that people can't terminate their own lives if they want to. We'll get rid of the idea that simply to live is what's ultimately important.

Quality as well as quantity.

I say that it's abusive and mean to bring up a baby in a malnourished hell-hole like some of these third world countries. And overpopulation is a huge problem in many of these places.

Even if they're considered a life, I'd be fine with those people in bad situations choosing to end the life. The baby is a blank slate when it comes out.

What annoys me the most is movies that portry wanton killing of 30+ year old people. This is one thing that really makes me disslike many violent films. The value of a life to me increases with its age and capacity to contribute. A baby is a nice thing, but it's still fairly blank.

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The An-Jel

Wow! And about the same way I view it. Once the baby is concieved I can't help but want it to survive because it is born. The horror of raising this child is probably ten times worse than any slasher flick. When the teens hit then it becomes Jason, Freddy, and Michael Myers combine because they usually aren't killing people but doing horrible things to themselves more often than not. I think they go for the 19+ thank mercy in fantasy age. The real crime I agree is killing the developed person... the one that has come of age and contribution to a society if they have the ability even to shuffle the paperwork.

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