Moral right & wrong w/o God?

scpitcher · 09-21-2006, 09:51 PM

(I suggested this forum so I guess I should kick it off

For some time I have been trying to formulate a personal moral code w/o basis in the traditional religious teachings. Is this possible or a futile exercise?

For reference here is a link with George Carlin's take on the ten commandments...
GEORGE CARLIN ON THE 10 COMMANDMENTS

So can we start with something like:

"Respect others" or "Live and let live"

Though I think we need a bit more detail for the average citizen:

1. Don't hurt or kill others.
2. Don't steal.
3. Don't lie.

One of the problems I have with this list is they are all negatives. Can we add 2 or 3 "do's"?

Any thoughts?

Mike

**George** · 09-23-2006, 11:05 PM

I've got a do. DO unto others as you would have others do unto you.

Might even be the only rule we'd ever need

**SithLord** · 09-24-2006, 12:18 AM

The 10 commandments are a joke. You can literally break every one of the 10 commandments 10 times and still be allowed into heaven if you repent and kiss God's butt.

What's the point?

scpitcher · 09-24-2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George

I've got a do. DO unto others as you would have others do unto you.

Might even be the only rule we'd ever need

George,

I keep a copy of this poster on the wall near my desk.

Scarboro Missions: "The Golden Rule" Poster

Since this is such a widely held notion does it predate religion? or simply make logical sense?

How about "Do care for others that can't care for themselves"?

mtatum4496 · 09-26-2006, 01:14 PM

I agree that "do's" are more constructive. Here's a few that might fill the bill:

1. Do assume that everyone has something to offer.
2. Do be open minded enough to allow others to have their own opinons.
3. Do treat others as you would like to be treated.
4. Do respect the social boundaries of other people.
5. Do claim the privilege of setting your own boundaries.
6. Do allow yourself to care about other people.
7. Do live your life with an attitude of a glass that is half full rather than half empty.
8. Do use your intelligence and common sense when making a choice of action.
9. Do recognize the fact that not everyone is the same gender, orientation, mindset or religious and philosophical preference as you, and enjoy the chance you have to learn something new, outside your own box.
10. Respect yourself, no matter what mistakes you make. When you make one, pick yourself up, learn from it, make amends as much as possible, then move on.

mplltt · 09-27-2006, 01:05 PM

When is it particular in the scheme of events that (yes, I got this from the school that I studied from which is UofM-Dn) an establishment would use another establishment. I find that, and this is absolute fact, that the Ford family recieved an award from Adolf Hitler himself congradulating him on his practices of white supremacy. Now I question, and, yes on other agnostic forums the question has arisen, is there such a thing as an establishment everywhere? Now, I question, has establishment been beaten by establishment? Can establishment use beaten establishment to confuse, ruin, destroy, even spy and create dissent? Is establishment using an invisibile force in order to internally ruin its own families for the name of God? Is establishment using establishment to ruin internally their own families in order to prove that there is a GOD???? I WILL ASK AGAIN, IS THE ESTABLISHMENT RUINING TO TEACH A LESSON THAT THERE IS A GOD TO THEIR OWN FAMILIES!?????!?!?!? the establishment only says, "it won't to unize it." and if I answer, "no" to every time I ask, "anything?" to the establishment will they hear me?

}SoC{Sumguy · 09-27-2006, 05:38 PM

what? could you please rephrase that and try to be more clear?

mplltt · 09-27-2006, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by }SoC{Sumguy

what? could you please rephrase that and try to be more clear?

I am angry, and scared, are you apathetic or just plain ready to bible bash?

scpitcher · 09-27-2006, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtatum4496

I agree that "do's" are more constructive. Here's a few that might fill the bill:

1. Do assume that everyone has something to offer.
2. Do be open minded enough to allow others to have their own opinons.
3. Do treat others as you would like to be treated.
4. Do respect the social boundaries of other people.
5. Do claim the privilege of setting your own boundaries.
6. Do allow yourself to care about other people.
7. Do live your life with an attitude of a glass that is half full rather than half empty.
8. Do use your intelligence and common sense when making a choice of action.
9. Do recognize the fact that not everyone is the same gender, orientation, mindset or religious and philosophical preference as you, and enjoy the chance you have to learn something new, outside your own box.
10. Respect yourself, no matter what mistakes you make. When you make one, pick yourself up, learn from it, make amends as much as possible, then move on.

Good list!

I seem to be finding a pattern that much of what we have listed so far relates to a few core values.

> Respect
> Responsibility
> Empathy
> Honesty

Not sure where "glass half full" fits in though

Any thoughts?

Mike

Vfr · 11-30-2006, 02:05 PM

Yes, I was discussing this same issue yesterday and got banned from another atheist forum for talking about it.

I am an Agnostic Spiritualist Freethinker and write from that point of view. This post discusses various tools that I use to develop inner peace and promote peace within others. All the tools discussed within this post are available for any person to use irrespective of religious belief or lack thereof.

http://**********************/jne/fo....php?topic=4.0