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09-27-2007, 10:10 PM
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... I am a fascist, how many times do I have to say that and no I'm not kidding, morality and ethics don't concern me and I myself do not believe in democracy, my God man! ...
| Interesting. I would have thought in this day and age people wouldn't think this kind of thing. Just looking at the definition of fascism; Quote:
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This fas·cism (fāsh'ĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. often Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
| I would only be in favor of fascism if I were the dictator. Since everyone thinks this way we should probably not support such a government. Chances are you'll just end up getting oppressed. Of course, this is much the same thing I see wrong with liberals. Liberals seem to be infavor of helping the poor but they aren't to friendly with the idea of you getting rich. |
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09-27-2007, 11:40 PM
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| Figures, you get your definition from an American dictionary, woooow, yeah that's trustworthy.
Read Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism, there's no mention of promoting racism, Mussolini was not Hitler. |
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09-28-2007, 12:12 AM
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| One doesn't have to be Noah Webster to realize that theres a reason Mussolini's head was carried through the streets. |
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09-28-2007, 12:30 AM
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| Are you implying Mussolini was beheaded?
Have you ever been to Italy, I mean I know you're only 18, I myself travelled to Italy first when I was 16, and there are many wineries that sell wine with labels of Mussolini, different ones, there's a label with him wearing his war helmet, a painting, a photograph of him on the balcony with his left arm raised.
You do realise there's still a Fascist Political Party in Italy right? |
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09-28-2007, 11:47 AM
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Figures, you get your definition from an American dictionary, woooow, yeah that's trustworthy.
Read Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism, there's no mention of promoting racism, Mussolini was not Hitler.
| So your saying fascism is a authoritarian form of government that uses terror to control the masses and fosters belligerent nationalism. However, it does not promote racism. OK.
I sure mussoline is not a one dimensions caricature. I still wouldn't want to give up my freedom to a fascist government. If mussoline had not lost his country I'm sure his successors would have had their own ideas. I can understand the Italian's being nostalgic over a past that never was. |
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09-28-2007, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pseudonous So your saying fascism is a authoritarian form of government that uses terror to control the masses and fosters belligerent nationalism. However, it does not promote racism. OK. | Not terror exactly, I mean I keep saying how child molestors should be made examples of, that doesn't mean terror, I mean the point is, don't commit a heinous crime or you'll suffer greatly for it, in Mussolini's Italy people weren't beaten for littering.
Nationalism does not always equate to racism, sometimes yes, but not always, there's the concept of Nationalism as race and ethnicity and then the concept of Nationalism as a nation, like I am a Canadian citizen but I am ethnically a Russia/German/Pole/Hungarian, in a fascist Canada every citizen would consider themselves a Canadian and cheer for Canada and work towards making Canada a great country, now obviously it's hard to become say a Switzerland but it's good to have a high goal like that. |
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09-28-2007, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximus Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudonous So your saying fascism is a authoritarian form of government that uses terror to control the masses and fosters belligerent nationalism. However, it does not promote racism. OK. | Not terror exactly, I mean I keep saying how child molestors should be made examples of, that doesn't mean terror, I mean the point is, don't commit a heinous crime or you'll suffer greatly for it, in Mussolini's Italy people weren't beaten for littering.
Nationalism does not always equate to racism, sometimes yes, but not always, there's the concept of Nationalism as race and ethnicity and then the concept of Nationalism as a nation, like I am a Canadian citizen but I am ethnically a Russia/German/Pole/Hungarian, in a fascist Canada every citizen would consider themselves a Canadian and cheer for Canada and work towards making Canada a great country, now obviously it's hard to become say a Switzerland but it's good to have a high goal like that. | Your joking right? If you are trying to dominate a country you don't beat a person for littering but you do beat a person for thinking anything negative against the system you live in. While all hype is that a facist government is evil it is only evil against the perogatives of the dictator in charge. To motivate a peoples like Hitler did it needs a target segregation. No one really liked the Jews because of their economic stance so they were a good option to draw upon and the Nazi's did. Facism needs a target or a severe suppression. The problem with severe suppression is that it builds enemies within... those that can sufficiently succeed the dictator placing itself in charge or their is a field of resistance inside that builds power. So Hitler did the smart thing and made an outside enemy.
Facism is simply a selfish answer to a fearful person.
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09-28-2007, 06:51 PM
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| I don't see what nationalism has to do with fascism. Obviously, citizens of every nation are nationalist or they would be a nation for long. In my opinion, a government that uses force to control its people is not looking out for the best interests of it people. It doesn't matter if you want to call it terror or not. What could you possibly hope to gain from giving away your rights? |
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09-28-2007, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximus .........okay now are you just kidding or are you an idiot? I am a fascist, how many times do I have to say that and no I'm not kidding, morality and ethics don't concern me and I myself do not believe in democracy, my God man! | Morality and ethics mean nothing to you? In that case, you're not only a fascist, you're an animal. It doesn't matter whether you believe in democracy; there are a lot of well-meaning people who don't, particularly in light of the bad name the Bush administration has given our system of government.
But in order to merit the description "human being", you have to at least care a little about your fellow "human beings". Otherwise, "What's It All About, Alfie?". If your sole purpose in life is to seek self-gratification at the expense of anyone who gets in your way, you are an abysmally shallow individual.
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09-29-2007, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Skepticologist But in order to merit the description "human being", you have to at least care a little about your fellow "human beings". Otherwise, "What's It All About, Alfie?". If your sole purpose in life is to seek self-gratification at the expense of anyone who gets in your way, you are an abysmally shallow individual. | That's your opinion not fact.
P.S. I believe most people are selfish. |
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