Proving Jesus is the Jewish Messiah - Page 2

**Jacob** · 07-10-2007, 07:30 PM

VenomFangX Re: Israelite knowledge of electricity

I think that early Egyptians may have known something about basic electricity and that the Israelites picked up this knowledge from them. Wasn't the urim & thummim supposed to have transmitted God's messages to the Levite priests?

The "ark of the covenant" seems to resemble a crude battery as well. The gold covering would certainly have been an excellent conductor for electricity.

In my opinion, the events performed with these items were nothing more than "smoke & mirrors"; kind of like the magical acts performed by David Copperfield.

Jacob

Astreja · 07-11-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VenomFangX

The Bible is easily the most printed book in world history, having been translated into practically every language known to man.

This is simply a variation on the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum.

Superior numbers do not make something true. If they did, the Bible could be rendered false by the following procedure:

Write a book that contains the statement "The Bible is false."
Translate it into the same number of languages as the Bible.
Print (Bible + 1) copies.

Do you see the problem here? Popularity does not equal truth. They sometimes coexist, but they are not equivalent.

One thing you should seriously consider when trying to match up the Old Testament prophesies with the Jesus story: According to the Gospels, Jesus was learned in the Tanakh and in fact was addressed as "rabbi". If he wanted to fulfil a scripture, all he had to do was do whatever the scripture said. In other words... A self-fulfilling prophesy. Not precognition on the part of the scriptural author(s), but an individual on a mission deliberately putting himself in harm's way to make an already-known writing come true.

epicureious · 07-14-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VenomFangX

"However, modern judaism makes no effort to makes no sacrifice for sins, and forsakes many of the truths within the torah....snip for brevity....However, the jewish scriptures say in Isaiah 49 that the Messiah will be a Light to the gentiles, born from among the jewish people".

Dear Fang, Congratulations on being born Jewish, but until you actually study Judaism, you will be vulnerable to Christian propaganda and brainwashing.

If the Jewish Messiah is a "light to all nations", then it doesn't turn around and kill, persecute Jews and teach throwing Torah, law and justice away. The inquisition, outlawing all things Jewish in the Council of Nicea 325 CE (you should read the cannon of the church and see how sweet and welcoming christians are to Jews coming into their so-called kingdom). If you were to read it, you would agree Christianity is neither enlightening nor good or anything but destructive. AS well as making persecution of Jews legal and setting up for the inquisition, Nicea took away rights of women established under Jewish law. If Messiah is presented by the religion of Christianity as light to the gentiles, then it does not exchange the festivals of the Lord for pagan ones - Easter (Goddess Ashterah) and the winter solstace Christmas, get rid of Sabbath (yes, this is codified Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Church law that the protestants did *not* and do not to this day protest). This is, as most abusers and bullys do, turning the tables to make the abuser look like the good guy. Christianity is not the light to the nations, or it would not be leaving a swath of bloodshed over the earth. Jewish Messiah, according to Isaiah will stop wars. Has this happened? No. Jewish Messiah will turn all nations and Jews back to Torah. Has this happened as a result of christianity? no. Therefore, *Christian* JC is disqualified as The Messiah.

Ice_Monkey · Yesterday, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by VenomFangX

My parents are Jewish, so I am Jewish by blood. Having studied the Jewish scriptures, I know Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. You might ask, how?

There was a lady at the video store where I work today. I'm going to explain the same thing to you that I did to her. She was raised Jewish, but did not attend synagog. It seems an increasing number of jews are departing from their religious practises, why is this?

Well, let's look at biblical judiasm. Throughout scripture, we see that the Israelites were made a separated people unto God to bring about the redemption of mankind; both gentile and jew were to be redeemed and saved. We see in the book Moses wrote called Leviticus ,chapter 11 verse 17, that the blood on the alter makes atonemtn for sin. We look at the first time Adam sinned, God killed an animal and covered Adam's shame with the animal sacrifice and skin. We see God ask Abraham to offer his only son to show faithfulness to God, and God stopped Abraham and said that He would provide a Lamb. We see on the passover, the blood on the doorposts allowed judgement to pass over the Israelites. We see in Isaiah 53 prophecy of the Messiah who was to come and suffer and die for the atonment of sins. This Messiah was to make final atonement not just for the jews, but for the Gentiles too. However, modern judaism makes no effort to welcone gentiles into the Kingdom of God, makes no sacrifice for sins, and forsakes many of the truths within the torah.

However, the jewish scriptures say in Isaiah 49 that the Messiah will be a Light to the gentiles, born from among the jewish people. Daniel 9:24 says that the Messiah was to come, make final atonement for sin, and then be killed, and then the jewish temple was to be destroyed. Jesus died on the cross, brought the entire gentile world to the knowledge of the God of Israel, and then the temple was destroyed in 70 AD: the jewish people have no had a sacrifice or their sins or a temple since.

In the book of Deuteronomy, Moses warns the Israelites that a prophet will be raised up from among their brothers, and if this prophet is rejected, that the Israelites would be assaulted by their enemies, be scattered among the world, and be few in number. This is why the holocaust happened; the jews rejected their Messiah and did not have the protection of God.

Many jews, like myself, recognize that Jesus (Yeshua) is the promised Messiah, without which there is no forgiveness of sins. Jesus is God, and became a man, and died for our sins. Jewish scriptures say in Isaiah 7:14, 9:6, and Michah 5:2 that the Messiah is the be God in the flesh, and born in Bethelehem (where Jesus was born). As it is now, the gentiles are being welcomes into the Kingdom of God by the gospel of Christ, and jews and gentiles around the world are being united in Christ. He will return shortly to this world, and start His heavenly reign, bringing peace and joy to His followers, and destruction to His enemies.

So, here's what you need to consider; if Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, you can not claim to be a true jew and reject Him. If He is not the Messiah, then you will die in your sins, because torah says you need a blood sacrifice, but Judiasm no longer offers that.

You need to repent of your sins, and put your faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Feel free to message me if you want to talk further. Also check out my youtube videos at the link in my signature. God bless you all.

Moses didn't write anything in the bible, Abraham failed the "test" entirely and miserably, and your phrase "Atheists better pray that they aren't wrong" makes no sense whatsoever.