Jayhawker Soule

Oh - you were just babbling. Sorry ...

Jacob

Re: the migration of peoples from the northern kingdom of Israel into Europe.

Here's a better theory.

In old testament times, the tribe of Asher inhabited the Mediterranean coast of northern Israel. They were renowned as sea-farers. Therefore they would have taken part in sailing King Solomon's ships to Tarshish as mentioned in II Chronocles 9:21. After the Assyrian invasion of the northern kingdom of Israel in 921BC, many would have been stranded there.

In 1936, Joseph Hertz (chief rabbi of the British empire) identified Tarshish as Tartessos, Spain. Interestingly enough, today there are people living on nearby islands in the Straits of Gibraltar who claim to be descendants of Asher. What happened to the rest of them though? There should be many more descendants after all this time.

Certain etymologists surmise that the word "Iberi" which refers to the Iberian peninsula of Spain and the word "Hibernia" which refers to the Roman name for Ireland means Hebrew. Therefore some scholars believe that many people, descended from Asher, once migrated to Ireland and beyond. Among them, may have been the Campbell clan.

As late as the thirteenth century, the coat-of-arms, belonging to the Campbell chieftain, consisted solely of a ship with oars and a sail identical to the sea-going vessels employed by King Solomon's navy. If the Campbells are in fact descended from the supposed Asherites living on islands near Spain, dna testing will eventually prove or disprove this.

All these things that I've mentioned can be found on the internet. What's my point? I'll write about that in another post.

Jacob

Jacob

Re: The point of Jacob's babbling is...

This is a wierd discussion for me because I'm not actually trying to convince people of European ancestry that they may be descended from the various ten lost tribes of Israel. The fact remains, however, that hundreds of plausible theories seemingly support this claim. No doubt, dna testing will one day prove or disprove these theories.

A lot of these theories are being put forth by Jewish organizations in an attempt to convince people of European ancestry to be on their side; especially on matters concerning Palestine. If it turns out that people of European ancestry really are descended from the people who used to live in the northern kingdom of Israel, then this will be dangerous. Many will have forgotten that their people had already once rejected Judaism and will, in all likelihood, support Jewish concerns in all matters whether it makes sense or not.

The synagog, the church and the mosque are all desperately trying to hold onto their power because religion is an excellent way to control people. The root premise for these religions is that God once revealed himself atop Mt. Sinai. This event was a hoax staged by Levites.

Jacob

Jayhawker Soule

So, the point is to entertain with baseless, juvenile speculation? Why?

Jacob

Re: baseless, juvenile speculation

There are perhaps millions of silent believers of European ancestry who think that they might be descended from the people who once lived in the northern kingdom of Israel. It's an issue. I'm just putting it out there.

George W. Armstrong, founder of the now defunct Worldwide Church of God which spawned the "Plain Truth" magazine, publicized this theory over fifty years ago. Today, Rabbi Yair Davidiy, founder of the "Brit-am" organization continues to promote this theory.

Yair Davidiy is obviously a learned scholar and some of his theories do seem possible. My fear is that people who do believe these theories (and there appear to be many) will be taken in by the religious side of things and be open to the oppression of Judaism.

Do not under-estimate what people think in terms of religion. About three thousand years ago, a bunch of Levites lit a mountaintop and claimed God came by to tell them what to do. Today, Judaism, Christianity and Islam all proclaim this as fact.

Jacob

Jacob

Jayhawker Soule Re: Why? (the reason for my posts about European-Israelism)

This is probably a more honest answer.

I have been subjected to these theories since I was a kid. Although I consider some of these theories as a possibility, I reject their religious implications. I wanted to go on record as stating that.

Today, I am an agnostic. I feel free from the shackles of religion which makes me feel like a better person. I also seem to be more accepting of people with foreign cultures.

Jacob

Dirge

Thank you for sharing your knowledge Jacob

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Jayhawker Soule

Then please give his scholarly credentials, identify the theories you deem possible, and present the evidence you find probative.

Jacob

Jayhawker Soule,

I simply think that it is possible that many people from the northern kingdom of Israel migrated into Europe to escape the Assyrians who invaded in 721BC.
If this happened, no doubt, many would have lost their identity over time.

As far as Yair Davidiy is concerned, he has no credentials, that I know of; except for the fact that his study seems to be his life's work. If it wasn't for his religious opinions, he'd just be just another archeological scholar with interesting theories.

I have no interest in convincing people in the European-Israelism theory, except in regards to the trappings of Judaism. I just used a couple of examples so that readers would know what I was talking about. If you're curious to know more, "Brit-am" is on the internet. I am in no way endorsing their websites.

Jacob

Jayhawker Soule

How pathetic ...