Jesus - Page 2

decent-lord · 10-25-2006, 01:35 PM

will yeah i beleive that jesus is the messenger of god but not son of the god nor god (NAWOZOBELA) . So this is wrong to say that he is son of the god.GOD dont has any son or family.

MickinEngland · 12-07-2006, 04:33 AM

The Trinity is like an oyster, God and Jesus are the two halves sharing the same guts- the holy spirit.
I have no problem at all with that "separate but-one" concept -
On the one hand -
Jesus said:- "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) and - "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father" (John 14:8 )
BUT on the other hand -
Jesus said - "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )
Jesus said - "Why do you call me good? Only God is good" (Luke 18:19)
Jesus said - "Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
High Priest asks - "Are you the Son of God?" Jesus replies - "I am" (Mark 14:61)
Jesus said - "I say nothing of my own accord, i only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
"My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me" (John 7:17)
"Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." (Luke 23:46)
God himself said - "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" (Matt 3:17)
And of course Jesus regularly prayed to God, yet if he was God why would he pray to himself?

**The An-Jel** · 12-15-2006, 12:23 AM

I am currently under the belief that Jesus imbibed incredible quantities of man gue in the Roman Bathhouses and was hailed (as well as inhaled) as the Lord and God of his trade. He was killed because he resisted this title of " God Of Rod. " Only a thought.

echos · 12-26-2006, 06:46 PM

Good thought. Intresting. So very true, people do make life complicated. We are all such creatures of our own comfort. Echos

THEWAULRUS · 01-03-2007, 07:39 PM

Two things. As someone above mentioned he can provide verses upon verse that Jesus is God. Ok, you can do that all you want, but for me to believe those verses you have to do just two things.Prove every single one of them is true such as credibility,facts that support it and so on. And two, prove existence of God. Then I'll convert and believe you.

Second thing, Christians make me mad. Why might you ask? Because they took the message of Jesus wrongly. They worship his death, and they pray to him on the cross. Ask yourself people, is that the message Jesus tried to portray? Would he want you to use his body as the symbol of everything holy? Would he want you to pray to a statue of him on a cross, dead? Ask yourself that question. I will be eagerly waiting for a response.

medical_gloves_market · 03-02-2007, 03:08 AM

i agree with u

**The An-Jel** · 03-02-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by THEWAULRUS

Two things. As someone above mentioned he can provide verses upon verse that Jesus is God. Ok, you can do that all you want, but for me to believe those verses you have to do just two things.Prove every single one of them is true such as credibility,facts that support it and so on. And two, prove existence of God. Then I'll convert and believe you.

Second thing, Christians make me mad. Why might you ask? Because they took the message of Jesus wrongly. They worship his death, and they pray to him on the cross. Ask yourself people, is that the message Jesus tried to portray? Would he want you to use his body as the symbol of everything holy? Would he want you to pray to a statue of him on a cross, dead? Ask yourself that question. I will be eagerly waiting for a response.

Well maybe it's a symbol of joining God in heaven or some such thing. Now that has it's own morbid connotations and are quite scary. I mean if God is willing to kill himself and doesn't let others... it really kind of leaves a very distraught set of worshipers!

BradtheImpaler · 03-20-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by }SoC{Sumguy

they believe that Jesus was merely a prophet, and not God in human form.

No, orthodox Jews believe he was a false prophet, if he even existed at all. (You may be thinking of Islam's view of him?)

**The An-Jel** · 03-23-2007, 04:38 PM

Yeah as I understand Jewish philosophy of Jesus thats true. The Messiah they believe hasn't come yet.

Journeyman · 04-02-2007, 02:44 PM

Let me tell you a story about Palm Sunday...

Around 150 B.C. the Roman emperor, Antiochus IV, decided that the Jews will no longer be allowed to worship Yahweh, nor were they to practice any of their Jewish religious ceremonies to include the great feasts. This was unacceptable to the Jews and led to the Maccabean Revolt.

This revolt resulted in developing two new Jewish sects, the Pharisees and the Zealots. The Zealots were those who believed that they were ordained and commissioned by God to kill non-Jews, to include those they considered heretics or hypocrites, anyone who would prevent them from worshiping their God, or anyone who threatened their role as the leaders of the Promised Land. It is not impossible to understand their crude manner of defense when we know that Antiochus was taking Jewish mothers who circumcised their sons and would kill them with their babies wrapped around the mother’s neck. This was a very volatile time for the Jews.

The Pharisees we are familiar with...

The Zealots, like many tribes, groups, and countries, had a flag or representative symbol. Their flag was a palm branch. When the Jews waved palm branches it was a symbol of the Zealot’s non-peaceful stance. And wherever the palm branch was waved or used as part of a parade or ritual, the message was that the Jews are to take Rome by force.

When Jesus entered Jerusalem on the donkey, the Zealots were giving the sign of the palm branches to send the message that their Zealot Messiah would help them kill the Romans.

In Luke 19:41-44 Jesus expresses his sadness over their misunderstanding and misrepresentation of the Messiah, who more like the Pharisees than the Zealots believed and taught that killing his enemies was not the answer to bringing peace to Israel. “As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, ‘If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace, but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.’”

PALM Sunday...It is an interesting look into what the Jews actually thought of Jesus in his time. He was supposed to take the world by force and appoint representatives of the 12 tribes to judge the world. After that there would be peace, but there isn't...so he wasn't! The Jews I know simply believe him to be a prophet that most likely let them down.