DNND

Jesus being suicidal, if that is your perception, has nothing to do with Mohammed being a pedophile. I rather be suicidal then a pedophile. Why would you defend a pedophile, with you truly silly logic?

tommi atkins

Another difference is,the story of jesus wanting to die is highly suspect, even at the last he called out to god, wondering what the heck was happening, expecting some sort of divine teleportation out of there. And yea, verilly, it diddnt cometh. The whole Emo-goth bleeding for minkinds sin, stuff is very clearly add-ons from the out-of-a-job-apostles.

Mo's attraction to the girl who was still playing with dolls, is never denied, because it was acceptable for so long in that culture. It even exists today in a hidden form. There is no muslim who will not admit that aisha was 6 when they were betrothed or 9 when they "consummated".
They just in this order.
1) Ignore it
2) refuse to think about it.
3) Get angry with the person who reminds them of it
4) Explain it as acceptable for the times.
5)Claim that they were "In Love" ahh...how sweet!

If Mo hadnt done anything else to make his prophethood a mockery, this single fact of child abuse would be enough. Unfortunatly, it was one of a stream of things, from flying horses to highway banditry.

Geshtinnanna

You made a statement saying prophet A is a pedophile so many followers are also pedophiles. This is a silly logic. why etc is really something I don't need to argue or debate about any more. I know what's up. And no matter what I say won't matter to a mind who has already been made up by such silly logic.

__________________

Lecter

I am glad to see you get your info from MAYBE about Islam.

*sigh

Please do a little research before you accuse the man of such things.

Also on the note of arranged marriages and people being forced. According to Islam forced marriage is forbidden.

Here are a couple of hadiths:


Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) allowed her to exercise her choice.

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: An orphan virgin girl should be consulted about herself; if she says nothing that indicates her permission, but if she refuses, the authority of the guardian cannot be exercised against her will. The full information rest with the tradition narrated by Yazid.


Not to mention that in Islam women are allowed to divorce themselves.

The Qur'an even specifically mentions the prophets wives and says they are allowed to leave if they choose so.

__________________
I'm only laughing on the outside / My smile is just skin deep / If you could see inside I'm really crying / You might join me for a weep.

Dunno

Doesn't the Quran also say that men can beat women? if so, can Women beat men for discipline?

DNND

No, you should improve your reading comprehension because this is what I said:

What’s awful about Mohammed being a pedophile is the fact that early Muslims acknowledge it, which leads me to believe many early Muslims were pedophiles

Remember, the excerpt is from a scared, well-respected Islamic text called the Hadith -- no less sacred than the Koran , so at the end of the day, you are defending a pedophile.

Lecter

Please go there for more information about that subject: Age of Aisha

I understand people will be against Muhammad no matter what, and that's fine, but at least don't accuse him of things that aren't true. Read some books about his relationship with his wives, especially with Aisha.

Some info from the link I posted:

According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah (ra) was five years older than Ayesha (ra). Fatimah (ra) is reported to have been born when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Ayesha (ra) could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage.

Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr (ra) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during the Jahiliyyah - the pre Islamic period. Obviously, if Ayesha (ra) was born in the period of jahiliyyah, she could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH - the time she most likely got married.

There is much more info, especially about the hadith posted here, please read and be informed and stop spreading lies about the man.

__________________
I'm only laughing on the outside / My smile is just skin deep / If you could see inside I'm really crying / You might join me for a weep.

Geshtinnanna

You said you believed many early Muslims were pedophiles. I would like your factual data on that please. Unless of course it's just your opinion

__________________

romansh

Dunno
I'm wondering how similar are the Qur'an and the Bible?
Perhaps we can find similar passages in the Bible?

__________________
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened. ........... Douglas Adams

Dunno

I don't know. Can you find any passage in the Bible where it says that a man can beat his wife? that would be some good ammo, do you have a passage and reference nimber?