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09-29-2007, 01:24 AM
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Whoa is this a cultural thing... this is an experience. Tell me... I'm gnu...
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03-23-2008, 07:38 AM
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|  Jewish Identity In Perspective
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Why is identifying your Jewish identity a sensitive topic?[/QUOTE]
Due to the fact that Judaism is seen as both a faith and an ancestry is the main reason why I ascribe a degree of sensitivity to this discussion. Throughout history our people have been systematically persecuted and discriminated against on the basis of our faith or ethnicity.
How would you feel if people perceived you differently on the basis of your jewish ancestry in the workforce? Would you feel sensitive about this discrimination and prejudice?
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03-23-2008, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by QuantumTheory  How would you feel if people perceived you differently on the basis of your jewish ancestry in the workforce? Would you feel sensitive about this discrimination and prejudice? | QT
I think most people in the west have a lot of respect for the Jewish people, especially in terms of the arts, science and commerce. GiT alluded to the disproportionate accomplishments (I'm surprised nobody took him up on being superior...  ) They may even have a begrudging respect for Zionism, how Israel has managed to hold on despite its neighbours avowing to push them in to the sea. Though I think many do have concerns that Israel's current tack it is taking with its immediate Arab neighbours.
In terms of sympathy there are many 'ancestries' that deserve sympathy. One that comes to mind is the Cathars ... and that was Christian on Christian! I cannot think of a major culture that has not been in some way responsible (Exceptions that come to mind are Amish, Dukabour, Cathars, JWs, there are probably eastern ones too)
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04-27-2008, 06:42 PM
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Modern Jews are not the Jews of the Bible.
Research "Edomite Jews."
In some esoteric thoughts, "Jews" are enlightened people, not the bloodline or the religion.
I suspect this to be true, although it has been buried under centuries of religious dogma to the contrary.
This was most likely a part of an oral tradition long before writing was developed. When you write such things down, the need of symbolism is obvious. The downside is it can't answer back like a living person can, so misinterpretations cannot be corrected on the spot.
More often than not, the symbolism is perpetuated and not the truths behind it. After so many years, only the symbolism remains. Nobody left to remember the truths.
This is the state of most religions today.
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05-24-2008, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by QuantumTheory Dear Agnostics, this post is all about Jewish Identity, seeing that I am of Eastern-European Jewish ethnicity, I feel it's appropriate that a Jewish person provides a post on this sensitive topic.
Jewish identity is identifying oneself as a Jew. Jewish identity can be cultural in nature, just as there are religious and cultural components of Christian or Buddhist identity.
According to tradition, Jewish ethnicity is passed down maternally. Therefore if one has a Jewish mother they are considered a 'Jew' irrespective of what religious affiliation they later convert to.
Jewish identity can involve ties to the Jewish community. (Adam Sandler, Roman Abramovich, Bob Dylan)
Jewish identity may be religious. (Moses Maimonides, Leonard Nimoy, Steven Spielberg)
Jews who are Agnostics or Atheists may have Jewish identity. (Karl Marx, Sigmund Freund, Isaac Asimov)
People born from a mixed Jewish and non-Jewish background may have Jewish identity. (David Duchovny, Daniel Radcliffe, Carrie Fischer)
Jewish identity can involve a sense of kinship with Israel. Jews in the Jewish diaspora may see Israel as the homeland of their people.
Happy Posting | I am half-Ashkenazi Jew on my father's side. Most traditionalists would therefore claim that I'm technically not Jewish but why should I have to pass a test and get 'authenticated' due to some old Halachic 'law'? Jewish identity is more than religious, as I'm obviously agnostic - for me, it's enough to be cultural. Plus I have the nose  .
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05-24-2008, 07:52 PM
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While I enjoy certain aspects of Jewish culture, the religious part is a trainwreck of idiotic beliefs.
There's a law for EVERYTHING.
Written mostly by crusty old men with time on their hands.
By the time you learn them all, death will be on your heels.
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06-02-2008, 07:30 AM
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| moral superiority complex.
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Originally Posted by The An-Jel I see that the people that everyone involved in Judaism are sensitive with each other but they are not really sensitive to everyone else around them are they. | What do you mean by this? Why do you believe the Jewish people are insenstive?
Do you have something against Judaism? | Many representatives of Jews are insensitive. Guys like Rabbi Emanuel Feldman, Rabbi Ezriel Tauber, or Rabbi Dovid Gottlieb.
How someone who has to be told how to be good can have a superiority complex is beyond me, yet here we are.
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06-02-2008, 07:36 AM
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| they're unique, just like everyone else.
[quote=QuantumTheory;26072] Quote: |
Originally Posted by Gettin' In Tune;16405
Why is identifying your Jewish identity a sensitive topic?[/QUOTE
Due to the fact that Judaism is seen as both a faith and an ancestry is the main reason why I ascribe a degree of sensitivity to this discussion. Throughout history our people have been systematically persecuted and discriminated against on the basis of our faith or ethnicity.
| Yes, many "peoples" have been persecuted or discriminated against. However, many Jewish church leaders have actually stated that the Jews deserved this treatment for swaying from following god's law. The bible is full of this pattern of Jews not following god's will, and being nailed by tools of god, such as Nebuchadnezzar, because of it. Quote: |
How would you feel if people perceived you differently on the basis of your jewish ancestry in the workforce? Would you feel sensitive about this discrimination and prejudice?
| Yes, I have felt the prejudices of my co-workers that is directed at me based on my atheism. Many, if not most people have felt prejudices directed at them for one thing or another.
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