The Identity of a Jewish people: What does it mean to be a Jew? - Page 4

Geshtinnanna · 08-28-2007, 12:03 AM

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Two hours of disagreement leads you to be hypersensitive, rude, and crude, yet you dismissively view those sensitized by two millennia of antisemitism, pogrom, and genocide as 'amusing'. Nor is this some minor idiosyncratic defect, reflecting as it does much the same attitude as that underlying holocaust denial.

oops. I missed this part. Apparently people are thinking I am some sort of holocaust denier. In fact my beef is with actual members here and not the holocaust or the Jews. As I have mentioned in pms I am part German Jew on my mother's side. I believe in the holocaust. I think it's a horrible atrocity. And that is the ONLY statement I have made about the holocaust. Just because someone dislikes you doesn't mean they dislike you because of your heritage. Sometimes you just annoy people by simply being you. Sometimes dislike is completely warranted. Just wanted to clear things up. And also when someone makes any sort of negative comment in any way toward a Jewish issues does not automatically make them some Anti Semite.

**The An-Jel** · 08-28-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Gettin' In Tune

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Nevertheless my statement holds true. Their ego stands larger than themselves.

You just don't give up. Here is an interesting fact you can use to support your resentment of Jews

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Given that Jews comprise a mere 1/4 of 1% (13 million) of the world's population (6 billion) and that 99% of the world is non-Jewish, the following list of accomplishments by Jews is quite impressive.

Of the 660 Nobel prizes from 1901-1990, 160 have been won by Jews. Jews have won more Nobel prizes than any other ethnicity. They have won 40 times more than should be expected of them based upon population statistics.

Source:http://judaism.about.com/od/american...plishments.htm

Give up what?

Just because the Jewish culture is labeled has nothing to do with treating them like a race.

Lots of cultures have done amazing things. American culture. British culture. Russian culture.

What is you're point... is it that you know people of the Jewish culture?

Gettin' In Tune · 08-28-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The An-jel

Give up what?

You made a claim that Jews think that they are inherently superior to other people. I think that is a gross umbrella statement about a religion and/or culture.

Here is a link to the concept of falsifiability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

It fits into the scientific method which you previously equated to the agnostic god. It is a solution to the induction which you are using which is riddle with problems.

p.s. The library is closing so we have to continue this discussion tomorrow.

**The An-Jel** · 08-28-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gettin' In Tune

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Give up what?

You made a claim that Jews think that they are inherently superior to other people. I think that is a gross umbrella statement about a religion and/or culture.

Here is a link to the concept of falsifiability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

It fits into the scientific method which you previously equated to the agnostic god. It is a solution to the induction which you are using which is riddle with problems.

p.s. The library is closing so we have to continue this discussion tomorrow.

p.s. what are you saying? you are talking about faith and if YOU are that afraid of Jewish people then have at it. Religious people are what they are. Cultural people are what they are. People are what they are.... how they are raised and what they are accustomed to. Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people are a culture surrounded by their faith. Believe in whatever you want Gettin' some people are still searching the truth. Judaism wins for you. Nothing YET wins for me.

**Jayhawker Soule** · 08-28-2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel

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Originally Posted by Gettin' In Tune

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Give up what?

You made a claim that Jews think that they are inherently superior to other people. I think that is a gross umbrella statement about a religion and/or culture.

Here is a link to the concept of falsifiability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

It fits into the scientific method which you previously equated to the agnostic god. It is a solution to the induction which you are using which is riddle with problems.

p.s. The library is closing so we have to continue this discussion tomorrow.

p.s. what are you saying?

I'm saying that you are a bigot polluting this thread with gross and pathetically ignorant generalizations and distortions. It is classic antisemitism.

Gettin' In Tune · 08-28-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel

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Give up what?

You made a claim that Jews think that they are inherently superior to other people. I think that is a gross umbrella statement about a religion and/or culture.

Here is a link to the concept of falsifiability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

It fits into the scientific method which you previously equated to the agnostic god. It is a solution to the induction which you are using which is riddle with [problems.

p.s. The library is closing so we have to continue this discussion tomorrow.

p.s. what are you saying? you are talking about faith and if YOU are that afraid of Jewish people then have at it. Religious people are what they are. Cultural people are what they are. People are what they are.... how they are raised and what they are accustomed to. Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people are a culture surrounded by their faith.

I am saying that you are making an inappropriate blanket statement most likely based on faulty thinking.

Judaism is an anomaly since it can be both a religion and a culture separately. I was hoping that this thread would shine some light on this anomaly since I am interested in learning why. The majority of my relatives on my father's side are non-practicing Jews (i.e. they view their Judaism as a culture and not a religion). For some reason they do not understand why they view it as a culture phenomena.

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Believe in whatever you want Gettin' some people are still searching the truth. Judaism wins for you. Nothing YET wins for me.

Why are you babbling incoherently? Your implication that I am not searching for the truth is amusing, concerning, and demeaning. What ever gave you that false and biased impression? It obviously did not come from me.

Your use of the English language in frighteningly filled with presumptuous labels. Where on Earth did I ever say that Judaism wins for me? You just love tossing out those labels. I know very little of the Judaism religion. (Plus, I am heading towards full blown atheism which I rather find enlightening). I can see very clearly why nothing YET wins for you. Best of luck in your search.

**Jayhawker Soule** · 08-28-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gettin' In Tune

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel

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Originally Posted by Gettin' In Tune

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Originally Posted by The An-jel

Give up what?

You made a claim that Jews think that they are inherently superior to other people. I think that is a gross umbrella statement about a religion and/or culture.

Here is a link to the concept of falsifiability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

It fits into the scientific method which you previously equated to the agnostic god. It is a solution to the induction which you are using which is riddle with [problems.

p.s. The library is closing so we have to continue this discussion tomorrow.

p.s. what are you saying? you are talking about faith and if YOU are that afraid of Jewish people then have at it. Religious people are what they are. Cultural people are what they are. People are what they are.... how they are raised and what they are accustomed to. Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people are a culture surrounded by their faith.

I am saying that you are making an inappropriate blanket statement most likely based on faulty thinking.

Judaism is an anomaly since it can be both a religion and a culture separately. I was hoping that this thread would shine some light on this anomaly since I am interested in learning why. The majority of my relatives on my father's side are non-practicing Jews (i.e. they view their Judaism as a culture and not a religion). For some reason they do not understand why they view it as a culture phenomena.

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Believe in whatever you want Gettin' some people are still searching the truth. Judaism wins for you. ...

Why are you babbling incoherently? Your implication that I am not searching for the truth is amusing, concerning, and demeaning. What ever gave you that false and biased impression? It obviously did not come from me.

Your use of the English language in frighteningly filled with presumptuous labels. Where on Earth did I ever say that Judaism wins for me? You just love tossing out those labels.

Very well said.

**Jayhawker Soule** · 08-28-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Geshtinnanna

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Two hours of disagreement leads you to be hypersensitive, rude, and crude, yet you dismissively view those sensitized by two millennia of antisemitism, pogrom, and genocide as 'amusing'. Nor is this some minor idiosyncratic defect, reflecting as it does much the same attitude as that underlying holocaust denial.

Sometimes dislike is completely warranted. Just wanted to clear things up. And also when someone makes any sort of negative comment in any way toward a Jewish issues does not automatically make them some Anti Semite.

No, making "any sort of negative comment in any way toward a Jewish issue" does not, in and of itself, constitute antisemitism. But when someone like An-Jel ignorantly claims that "Jews [presumably all of them] think they are inherently superior to everyone else," it is indeed a bigoted, antisemitic statement, and to find opposition to such bigotry hypersensitive and amusing is, in my opinion, a disgusting and socially irresponsible attitude.

**The An-Jel** · 08-31-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gettin' In Tune

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Give up what?

You made a claim that Jews think that they are inherently superior to other people. I think that is a gross umbrella statement about a religion and/or culture.

Here is a link to the concept of falsifiability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

It fits into the scientific method which you previously equated to the agnostic god. It is a solution to the induction which you are using which is riddle with problems.

p.s. The library is closing so we have to continue this discussion tomorrow.

p.s. what are you saying? you are talking about faith and if YOU are that afraid of Jewish people then have at it. Religious people are what they are. Cultural people are what they are. People are what they are.... how they are raised and what they are accustomed to. Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people are a culture surrounded by their faith.

I am saying that you are making an inappropriate blanket statement most likely based on faulty thinking.

Judaism is an anomaly since it can be both a religion and a culture separately. I was hoping that this thread would shine some light on this anomaly since I am interested in learning why. The majority of my relatives on my father's side are non-practicing Jews (i.e. they view their Judaism as a culture and not a religion). For some reason they do not understand why they view it as a culture phenomena.

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Believe in whatever you want Gettin' some people are still searching the truth. Judaism wins for you. Nothing YET wins for me.

Why are you babbling incoherently? Your implication that I am not searching for the truth is amusing, concerning, and demeaning. What ever gave you that false and biased impression? It obviously did not come from me.

Your use of the English language in frighteningly filled with presumptuous labels. Where on Earth did I ever say that Judaism wins for me? You just love tossing out those labels. I know very little of the Judaism religion. (Plus, I am heading towards full blown atheism which I rather find enlightening). I can see very clearly why nothing YET wins for you. Best of luck in your search.

Jaywalker clearly Gettin' is partially Jewish culture and I understand his remarks what are yours?

(Waiting for a lie that says Jaywalker has never had a dealing with a Jewish businessman or is not of the Jewish culture within himself.)

epicureious · 08-31-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

An-Jel ~ claims that "Jews [presumably all of them] think they are inherently superior to everyone else," it is indeed a bigoted, antisemitic statement, and to find opposition to such bigotry hypersensitive and amusing is, in my opinion, a disgusting and socially irresponsible attitude.

When a people's (Israel) myth is that they the chosen people of Gd, it's hard to be humble. But isn't that what the Christians claim? Actually they claim to be "spiritual Israel" Heh, so that's superior and stealing.

Israel came by the job of Chosen people by default, the story goes. Allegedly the job of keeping Torah (Laws, understanding of character of Gd and humanity) was offered to the other nations at Mt. Sinai, but none of them wanted it. Now, they're all jealous and claim Jesus made them superior to Jews with a *new* and *better* covenant (their version of Gd can renig on covenants).

Isn't it the inclination of *all* of humanity to think their group is superior to every other? Absolutely every people on earth at the most elemental level have bigotry and hatred for the outsider. Koreans, Japanese, Americans, Africans, Europeans, Southeast Asians all consider themselves "human beings" and everyone else savages. A few peoples, notably the Jews, have codified how to treat aliens and outsiders fairly and humanely to counteract this revolting development of humanity.