alexie

Dear In tune

You stated,"but to attack American on an idealogical and symbolic level."

Tell that to the thousands who dies, thier loved ones and the ones cleaning up the mess. Are you serious? do you actually believe what you say?

alexie

alexie

Dear Mulsim Distinct

You stated,"As explained to you that what Osama did in New York was a mistake."
and
'this does not mean that Islam govern this provision others equitable vision simply Muslims who have committed mistakes.Z"

Are you serious? A mistake? That men trained to fly planes, flew them into a building or two and this is a mistake? Do you tjink people are stupid enough to believe this? I am a Christian and that is like me saying the crusades were a mistake! The crusades were planned by people who did not know God but used His name to do horrific things. It was no mistake! The same with Islam today. People are doing these things in the name of God, on purpose and the Islamic world is not doing much about it. When I see the Muslim world getting together to chamge the way training in mosques happens and hunt down the terrorists then i might believe they are serious. When I see overseas young muslims stop trying to recruit and bomb airports and cities I will believe that Islam is serious.

alexie

alexie

Dear Muslim brothers

I too, like anjil, am trying to understand you. I am a Christian and have met many Muslims in Australia. But there are a few things that many of them cannot or will not answer. I realise there asre major divisions and one is the Arabic Koran verses the others. Sunni and shiite etc do not always agree.
The questions and following statements are general and I want you to pick them to pieces so I can learn.
Some say Islam is not a religion of peace but a warrior code committed to global conquest. There are many, possible over one hundred verse that speak of violence to spread Islam. One surah says ,"take not the jews and Christians as friends...slay them...fight agianst them...Surah 5:51 and 9:5-41)

There is also a myth that Islam is a religion of love. What verse, if any, proclaim us to love anything.

Some say Allah is the same god as the Christian God. Some say Allah is not the Arabic name for God but a proper name for a specific god. The moon god and the crescent moon adorns mosques over all the world.
Rioting muslims will yel out, "Allaha Ackber". Some say this means Allaha is great but if I am correct it means Allaha is greater. If so greater than whom??? The God of the Bible?
Did Mohammod sign a deal with the Quaraish tribe and then two years later broke this treaty and wiped them out? Is this not celebrated today?

If any of this is false please inform me it is. Explain how all this is wrong and give me the Koran as your evidence, your holy book of peace.

alexie

Gettin' In Tune

I meant no offense to the American and innocent people who lost their lives during 9/11. I was just trying to demacarte "a declaration of war" vs. "terrorism". Perhaps, I am wrong since most of Al-Qaeda's targets were civilian and not military, unless you consider the Pentagan and The White House a military target.

Again, I meant no offenst to any American or innocent person involved in 9/11. I was just trying to demarcate the difference between declaring war and terrorism, and I am not sure that we gave it as much thought as we should of.

Perhaps, I am wrong and can see whole-heartedly why you disagree with me. It can easily be an act of terrorism rather than a declaration of war. Either way, I do not think that these titles would ease any American nor innocent people involved in 9/11.

If I invoked negative feelings, I am sorry. It was not my intention.

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"But to find the truth we need imagination and skepticism both. We will not be afraid to speculate, but we will be careful to distinguish speculation from fact."--C.Sagan

Muslim distinct

- In the name of god the merciful -

brother alexie
I am sorry
Please give me a little time to respond
I know I had been delayed in response
But the difficulty do not lies in answer your questions
But because of translation
I apologize for the delay
at the end of the week would be the answer might translate - Inshallah -

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xenu

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

[9.23] O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

A small sample from the manual of terrorism... I mean the Koran!

Gettin' In Tune

I only respond to reason and not religion..........

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"But to find the truth we need imagination and skepticism both. We will not be afraid to speculate, but we will be careful to distinguish speculation from fact."--C.Sagan

xenu

lol! unfortunately there will come a time where you will have to.

Princess of Peace

why have you took words from several different verses and pasted them together? lol you even have them from two different chapters.

ok as for verse 5:51, which reads "Do not take Jews and Christians as friends...". this is actually a poor translation of the original arabic. the word translated here for 'friends' is 'wali', which actually translates to 'tribal patron'. so a better translation of the verse is "O you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as tribal patrons; these are tribal patrons of one another. Those among you who become clients of these belong with them."
In the time of Muhammed it was possible for a person to be a honorary member of a tribe and in the Quran, God is discouraging this.

if we read the following verse, it becomes clear that this was during wartime and that there was a fear that the Jews and Christians would join the enemy. [5:52] "You will see those who harbor doubt in their hearts hasten to join them, saying, "We fear lest we may be defeated." May GOD bring victory, or a command from Him, that causes them to regret their secret thoughts."

A few verses later. [5:57] "O you who believe, do not befriend those among the recipients of previous scripture who mock and ridicule your religion, nor shall you befriend the disbelievers. You shall reverence GOD, if you are really believers."

[60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.


As for verses 9:5-41, which you quoted parts of as saying something about slaying people. perhaps you are unaware that a treaty was made between the muslims and polytheists, to which the polytheists broke. God then gave them 4 months to repent of their crimes. when the 4 months were up, war was declared on them.
[9:13] "Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first ? What! Fear ye them ? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers"
As you can see, they were the first to attack the muslims.

for those that didn't break the treaty, God tells the muslims to keep their treaty to them. [9:4] "Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

God even tells the muslims to help those that ask protection of the muslims. [9:6] "And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not."

Princess of Peace

sayings of the Prophet:
“None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim)
“By the One in whose hand is my soul, you will not enter Paradise until you believe. And you do not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which will establish such for you: spreading peace among yourselves.” (Saheeh Muslim)


no, they're the same God. Both the Quran and the Bible are revelations from the one and only God. the arabic word "Allah" translates to "God". when we say "Allahu Akbar", we mean "God is the greatest" as in greater than anything in heavens and the Earth.
nope, the quaraish broke the treaty and attacked first as mentioned in my previous post.