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09-12-2007, 04:22 AM
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| Allah (swt) is our Guardian and hence has given us guidelines to correct ourselves just the way the Quran is the guardian over the Bible, correcting it. Allah (swt) is the Protector and has given us a way to protect ourselves by correcting our mistakes just as the way the Quran corrects the Bible in order to protect what was revealed in the previous scriptures. Allah (swt) is Witness to all that is being done just like the Quran is a witness to the changes made in the Bible thus correcting them.
Hence we see that the definition fits perfectly to Allah (swt) as well as the Quran thus refuting any claims that would suggest otherwise. The Quran is now a guardian over what was revealed before and thus people can learn the truth in the previous scriptures by looking at those parts which the Quran confirms and those which the Quran rejects.
Chapter 2 Verse 41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.
When we read the verse preceding this, we find that these verses refer to the Children of Israel where Allah (swt) asks them to fulfill the Covenant. Then in this verse Allah (swt) is telling them to believe in what He reveals which confirms the revelation which is with them. So the Quran again is confirming that which is a revelation and not that which is corrupted by human hands. Then we read the next verse:
And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).
Thus it becomes apparent that the Quran is telling the Jews not to conceal the Truth. How would the Truth be concealed? The Truth would be concealed by following human corruptions rather than following what Allah (swt) has revealed.
Chapter 2 Verse 89
And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognized, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith.
Once again this verse is seen to hold the same meaning as that of ‘Saddaqa’ explained above. The Quran which is from Allah (swt) is confirming the truth that which is with the People of the Book. Over and over again we find that the Noble Quran tells us that it is confirming the truth in the previous revelations. The Quran is speaking the truth about what is with the People of the Book. Therefore it is clear that the Quran is not testifying that the entire Bible is preserved but is only confirming the truth that is with the People of the Book thus naturally correcting the corrupted part.
Chapter 2 Verse 91
When it is said to them, "Believe in what Allah Hath sent down, "they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us:" yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what is with them. Say: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?"
This verse is connected to the one explained above. The Quran says that the People of the Book reject the Truth which is confirming that which is with them. What does the Truth confirm? The Truth would but natural confirm that which is the truth. Thus as explained above many times in this section, the Quran, being the Truth, confirms the Truth that is with the People of the Book and not that which is falsehood created by human intervention.
Chapter 2 Verse 97
Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-
This verse is from the same Surah as the previous two verses and talks about those who are enemies to Gabriel. Gabriel is an angel who brought the revelations to Prophet Muhammad (saw). The revelation is referred to as a confirmation of what went before. This means that this revelation (Quran) confirms what actually happened before thus exposing the falsehood that might be there in the minds or the scriptures of the People of the Book. Further the Quran is called ‘guidance’ for those who believe and if the purpose of the Quran was to state that the entire Bible is uncorrupted then it would not refer to itself as guidance to those who believe because the Bible would still be guidance to those who do not believe.
Chapter 2 Verse 101
And when there came to them a messenger from Allah, confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!
We find that again the same word is used in this verse of the Quran. Thus when Allah (swt) sent his Messenger (saw) to confirm the truth in what was with the People of the Book (here the verse refers to the Jews), some of them who realized that it was by default exposing the falsehood, refused to consider what the Messenger (saw) was saying by pretending as if they do not even know what their books had in it. If the Quran was testifying that their scripture is in its pristine form then the Jews would not have pretended as if they knew not what was in their scriptures. The reason why they pretended as such was because they saw that an unlettered Prophet (saw) was bringing out the truth in their books and by default exposing the falsehood. The Jews knew that if they would look at the truth in their books then it would prove that Prophet Muhammad (saw) was the Messenger of Allah (swt) and thus they chose to ignore their books completely.
Chapter 3 Verse 39
While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: "Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a prophet,- of the (goodly) company of the righteous."
Basically this verse has nothing to do with whether the Quran testifies that the entire Bible is in its pristine form or not. However Christians use this verse to state that the word ‘Saddaqa’ in this verse means to ‘confirm’ and thus they try to derive a conclusion that the Quran confirms the entire Bible.
Let us apply the same explanation which I have been giving regarding this root word ‘Saddaqa’ to this verse and see if the meaning of this verse changes. Yahya (as) or John the Baptist as the Christians call him was supposed to confirm the truth of a Word from Allah. So he was supposed to confirm the truth not the falsehood just as Quran confirms the truth and not the falsehood in the Bible.
Chapter 3 Verse 50
(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
This verse again has nothing to do with the Quran confirming anything. However the Christians quote it due to the same root word ‘Saddaqa’ in it. Once again if we use the same application of the word ‘Saddaqa’ in this verse, it only means that Jesus (as) was confirming the truth which came before him and not the falsehood, if any, in the Torah at that time.
Chapter 3 Verse 81
Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." |
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09-12-2007, 04:24 AM
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| Once again this verse is quoted by the Christian missionaries due to the root word. If again we apply the same definition of ‘Saddaqa’ i.e. ‘to speak the truth’, ‘to be true’ etc to this verse, we will find that it fits in most appropriately. Here Allah (swt) is telling the prophets that He will give to them a Book and Wisdom and then later a messenger will confirm (speak the truth, be true, sincere) that which is with the prophets then will they believe in him or not. Again the deception which the missionaries are trying to create falls apart.
Chapter 4 Verse 47
O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be carried out.
This is yet another verse with the root word ‘Saddaqa’ in it. So is the Quran stating that it confirms the entire Bible? Not in the least. The Quran yet again speaks the truth and confirms the truth in that which was with them. In the next verse we see that Allah (swt) states “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him”.
As we all know the Bible does ascribe partners to Allah (swt) and Allah (swt) is condemning such an act labeling it as unforgivable. Now if the Quran was suggesting that the entire Bible was uncorrupted then the Quran would not condemn their fundamental belief. The fact that the Quran is condemning it means that the Quran confirms the truth in the Bible and by default exposes the falsehood.
Chapter 6 Verse 92
And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the mother of cities and all around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers.
This verse again like the numerous verses above says that the Quran confirms (speaks the truth regarding, is true, sincere) to what came before it. Hence it only confirms that which was actually revealed by Allah (swt) during the time of Moses (as) and during the time of Jesus (as). It in no way means that it is to confirm that the entire Bible is a hundred percent the Word of God.
Chapter 37 Verse 52
“Who used to say, ‘what! art thou amongst those who bear witness to the Truth (of the Message)?’”
Similar to the previous verses this again talks of confirming the Truth – not the falsehood. By confirming the Truth, falsehood by default gets exposed. That is exactly what the role of the Quran is – to confirm the truth in the Bible and thus by default expose the falsehood present in it.
Chapter 46 Verse 12
And before this, was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: And this Book confirms (it) in the Arabic tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as Glad Tidings to those who do right.
The Quran again declares that it confirm the Book of Moses and its methodology to do so is that it speaks of that which was revealed at the time of Moses (in the Arabic language i.e. language of the Quran), thus correcting by default that which is corrupted.
Chapter 46 Verse 30
They said, “O our people! We have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming what came before it: it guides (men) to the Truth and to a Straight Path.”
This verse is regarding the Jinns. The Jinns who heard the Quran went to their people and told them about the Quran which was revealed after Moses. They tell them that it confirms what came before it and that it guide to the Truth. The fact that it guides to the Truth means that the Quran confirms that which is true. But natural, Truth confirms the truth only. Truth can never confirm the falsehood hence the Quran is a guide to the Truth and thus will bring out what is true in the Bible while by default exposing that which is a corruption.
Chapter 61 Verse 6
And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
Due to the usage of the root word ‘Saddaqa’ the Christian missionaries try to use this verse as a support for their misinterpretation of the Quran. By Jesus saying that he is here to confirm the Law, it does not mean that everything is true. By confirming again we see that it means that Jesus is speaking the truth regarding what was revealed to Moses. Hence let us assume that the Torah was uncorrupted at that time. If so, Jesus would speak that which was revealed in the Torah and it would naturally confirm what was in the scriptures. If now we assume that the Torah was corrupted, Jesus would still speak that which was revealed during the time of Moses, thus confirming what was revealed to Moses and by default exposing the falsehood.
4c. Verses where Quran tells Prophet Muhammad (saw) about the Bible
The following are the verses in which the Quran asks Prophet Muhammad (saw) to ‘refer’ to the People of the Book.
These verses are:
Chapter 10 Verse 94
Chapter 16 Verse 43 – 44
Chapter 2 Verse 113
Chapter 5 Verse 68
Chapter 10 Verse 94
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.
When we read the verse preceding this we find that Allah (swt) is telling Prophet Muhammad (saw) in the Quran regarding the Children of Israel and how much Allah (swt) blessed these people.
We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them, that they fell into schisms. Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them, on the Day of Judgment. – [Chapter 10 Verse 93]
Then in this verse Allah (swt) tells Prophet Muhammad (saw) to ask them if he does not believe in what is revealed. So Prophet Muhammad (saw) is instructed to ask regarding this particular information if he does not believe what Allah (swt) has revealed to him. Hence he would ask the Children of Israel whether they were blessed by Allah (swt) or whether disputes did occur between them. This therefore does not prove that the Quran endorses the entire Bible to be the complete Word of God.
Chapter 16 Verses 43 – 44
And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if ye realize this not, ask of those who possess the Message.
(We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought.
Again we see a similar message in the Quran. In verse 43, the Quran mentions that Allah (swt) sent messengers before Prophet Muhammad (saw) who were none but men and they were given the inspiration. Then in the latter part of the verse it tells Prophet Muhammad (saw) that he can confirm with the People who possess this Message. So what is Prophet Muhammad (saw) to confirm? Simply, that whether men were sent as messengers or not. Further one can ask whether these men were granted any inspiration. So for a moment if we assume that the Bible in those days was corrupted, then does this verse fall apart? No! The Bible being corrupted has this Message in it that men with inspiration were sent in the past.
In verse 44 we find that again a similar message is given. Allah (swt) states that these messengers of the past were sent with clear signs and books. Then Prophet Muhammad (saw) is told that he is also given the Message so that he can ‘explain clearly to men what is sent for them’. This proves that the Bible was corrupted and its message was distorted hence the Quran has been sent to ‘explain clearly to mean what is sent for them’.
Also see the this verse 16:43 under the next section titled ‘Quran calls the Bible al-Ththikra’
Chapter 2 Verse 113
The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. |
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09-12-2007, 04:25 AM
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| This verse of the Quran refers to Christians and Jews saying that they read the Scripture yet they argue that they are right and the other is wrong. In simpler terms, they both read the same books and yet they fight accusing each other for being on the wrong path. So this verse has nothing to do with the Quran testifying that the entire Bible is the uncorrupted word of God.
Chapter 5 Verse 68
Say: "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.
The message in this verse is very clear. The People of the Book are told that they should follow the Law and the Gospel and all the revelation that has come to them. This includes the Quran. Now if the Quran is testifying that the entire Bible is uncorrupted then why would they be required to stand fast by the Quran? However if the message in the Quran is that the Bible indeed get corrupted then by holding fast to the Quran they can hold fast to the Law and the Gospel because the Quran confirms the truth in these books and thus the true revelations of the Law and the Gospel are preserved in the Quran.
4d. Quran calls the Bible ‘al-Ththikra’
The Christians quote Chapter 15 verse 9 and say that God says that He has sent the Message and will guard it. The Arabic word used for Message is ‘ththikra’. This verse refers to the Quran but the Christian missionaries say that in the Quran the Bible is also referred to as ‘ththikra’ and hence the Quran in a wider context means that the Bible can also not get corrupted.
The verses quoted by Christians in the Quran that refer to the previous messages as ‘ththikra’ are as follows:
Chapter 16 Verse 43
Chapter 21 Verse 7
Chapter 21 Verse 105
Chapter 40 Verses 53 – 54
In all these verses, we find that the previous messages are referred to as ‘ththikra’. So does the Quran include these messages in Chapter 15 Verse 9?
Not at all! In all of these verses the message is referred to in the past tense. In none of these verses does it state that the People of the Book possess the message (‘ththikra’). Chapter 15 Verse 9 only refers to the present context and thus excludes the doings of men in the past.
Moreover in a much wider context, the Quran safeguards the true revelations of the Torah and the Injeel and thus Allah (swt) is saying that He will guard it from corruption. Thus by guarding the Quran, He is also guarding the true revelations of the Torah and the Injeel.
4e. Bring forth like Quran and Torah
Now the Christian missionaries quote two verses of the Quran and claim that the Quran presents the challenge to bring forth something like the Quran and Torah.
Chapter 28 Verses 48 – 49
But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, "Why are not (Signs) sent to him, like those which were sent to Moses?" Do they not then reject (the Signs) which were formerly sent to Moses? They say: "Two kinds of sorcery, each assisting the other!" And they say: "For us, we reject all (such things)!"
Say: "Then bring ye a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than either of them, that I may follow it! (do), if ye are truthful!"
As we have seen in all the previous verses, the Quran is confirming the truth in the Torah over and over again by repeating the truth which was still present in the Torah and correcting by default that which was corrupted. Hence people said that both these books are assisting each other as whatever truth the Quran confirmed, was found to be true in the Torah. Thus people labeled these two as ‘sorcery’ and thus rejected it. Then in the next verse Allah (swt) tells them to bring a book from Allah (swt) which is a better guide than either of the two i.e. Quran and Torah. Note that the verse uses the phrase ‘better guide’ thus it does not mean that the entire Torah was uncorrupted. Guidance in the Torah is seen to be much better than what is found even in the New Testament. While the laws in the Torah are similar to those found in the Quran, the corruption by the scribes, have introduced completely new laws in the New Testament. Thus in general no doubt the guidance in the Torah is better and thus the Quran tells them to bring a book from Allah that is a better guide than the Quran and Torah. Further, because the Quran kept on confirming the truth in the Torah, the people knew of what was part of the original scripture and thus as a better guide either of the two books could be placed as a challenge. The challenge is yet not to produce a book which is a better guide than these two but to bring from Allah a book which is a better guide than these two. This statement is different from the challenge of the Quran to produce a book like, or a Surah like the Quran. That challenge is for men to sit and produce like a book like Quran. Over here the challenge is to bring a book from Allah that is a better guide.
5. Conclusion
We went through all the verses that the Christians give to present their case that the Quran testifies that the entire Bible is the uncorrupted word of God. After going through these verses, the deception which the Christendom tries to create was exposed. It was seen that the Quran does not in any way testify that the Bible is completely uncorrupted. The Quran acts like a guardian over the Bible (5:48) and preserves the true revelations sent to Moses (as) and Jesus (as). It confirms the truth in the Bible thus by default exposing the falsehood in them. This paper was only to refute the verses they quote. In another article I will give evidence from the Quran to prove that the Bible indeed was corrupted.
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09-16-2007, 12:55 AM
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| According to Surah Al-Imran 3:42-55:
1) Isa was born without a father and therefore did not inherit Adam's sinful nature.
2) Allah put His Word and Spirit into Maryam. Isa = God's Word/Spirit.
3) From His childhood, Isa lived a righteous and holy life.
4) Allah gave Isa tremendous power to heal the sick and raise the dead to life.
5) Isa has power over our greatest enemy, death.
6) Allah Himself taught ‘Isa the Holy Kitabs (Books).
7) The men who helped Isa in his ministry of telling the unbelievers to worship the one true God were called Muslims.'
8) Allah lifted Isa to Himself. He came from Allah and was raised back to Allah. So, Isa knows the way to Allah.
9) Muslims who join in Isa's work will receive blessings from Allah and will be more blessed than the unbelievers in this world.
Isa helps you and me get to Allah. He show you and me the way to eternal life with Allah in heaven. To me that is more important than any worldly success.
You asked:
Can u pls give me some evidence to prove the divinity of the Bible? How and when the bible revealed to the Christ? Can u differentiate between Injeel and Bible?
“If they (Jews and Christians) had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. Among them there are people on the right course but many of them are of evil conduct.”
(Quran, Al-Ma'da 5:66)
Muslims are commanded in the Quran to believe in the books of the Jews and the Christians, the Torah and the Injeel (Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 136)known to the Christians as "Bible". But are they not changed or in part forgotten? If that was the case when should it have happened, how and by whom? What excactly has been distorted and why? There must be a reason behind such a deception. What would be the advantage or benefit from it? Muslims best look up their Quran to find out what it says about such serious charges.
'And if thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the book from before thee..' (Surah 10, Yunus, verse 94)
‘Those who have been reading ‘the book from before thee' are Jews and Christians! It would make no sense for Allah to command doubters to ask people for guidance whose Scriptures had been corrupted! Several verses in the Quran bear witness to the truth that the Torah was unchanged at the time of Jesus. In Surah 19, Maryam, verse 12, Yahya, who lived at the time of Jesus was told 'to take hold of the Book, (the Torah).' Surah 3, Ali'Imran, verse 48 tells us that Jesus was also taught in the Torah.
Numerous verses attest to the truth that the Torah was uncorrupted in the time of Muhammad, the sixth century AD (Surah 34, Saba, verse 31, Surah 35, Fatir, verse 31). The Arabic phrase 'bain yadaihi' which is used in these references to the Torah literally means 'between his hands.' This usually is an idiom for 'in his possession,' or 'at his disposal'. Some Jewish contemporaries of Muhammad are called 'those who guide and do justice in the light of truth,' besides many others whose reputation was not so favourable. (Surah 7, Al Araf, verse 159) The very fact that they were commended so highly shows that they were in possession of the uncorrupted Torah.
'…Say, 'Bring ye the Law and study it, if ye be men of truth.' (Surah 3, Ali 'Imran, verse 93) In this specific incident the Jews are asked to bring their own Law, the Torah. They are commanded by God to study it in order to find the right answer to a particular question. 'But why do they come to thee for decision, when they have (their own) Law before them? -Therein is the (plain) command of Allah;.... (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 43)
Maududi comments on this verse: '...sometimes, when their own law did not suit them, they would take their cases to the Holy Prophet in the hope that they might obtain a more favourable decree from him than they could from their own law.' ('The meaning of the Quran', 12th Edt. 1992, S.A. Maududi, Isl. Publ., Pakistan) This shows clearly that even corrupted Jews would never change the written Torah! They were only prepared to conceal the meaning of it. In spite of their wickedness, they did not dare to change the written form of the Torah! That is why, according to the Quran, Allah told them to look up their own law in which is the plain command of God!
'Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.' (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 47)
This command is given to Muhammad's contemporaries, it is written in the 'present' tense which in the Arabic language can also refers to the future! If the Gospel (Injil) was corrupted at that time then surely Allah would never have asked the people of the Gospel, the Christians, to believe in it!
'If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course...' (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 69)
The fact that there were Jews and Christians 'on the right course' in Muhammad's time confirms the Torah and the Gospel to be unchanged in the 6th century AD! Certainly, they could never have been described in such an honourable way if they had 'stood fast' by corrupted Holy Books!
'Say: O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord....' (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 68)
'No change can there be in the Words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme Felicity.' (Surah 10, Junus, verse 64)
Since the Torah and the Injil are words of Allah it is impossible for man to change them. God has the power to watch over His word and to preserve it. |
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| WHAT ABOUT ‘TAHRIF'?
The Arabic word used by Muslim scholars to describe the supposed corruption of the sacred Scriptures is ‘Tahrif'. A distinction is made by them between a corruption of meaning or of words. All the most celebrated among the earliest commentators on the Quran speak only about the first corruption of meaning. (e.g. Imam Muhammad Ishmail al-Bukhari. He formed his opinion on the authority of Ibn Abbas. Ibn Mazar and Ibn Abi Hatim mentioned only the first type of corruption on the authority of Ibn Muniyah in the ‘Tafsir Durr-i-Mansur'. The same opinion is also held by Shah Waliyu ‘Ilah in ‘Fauzu l Kabir' and by Imam Fakhru ‘d-din. ‘Dictionary of Islam', T.P. Hughes, Asia Publishing House, London 1988). Contrary to these authorities modern Muslim commentators hold the view that only parts of the Bible remained unchanged. Faith is only put in those statements which are supposed to confirm one's own opinions. Some Jews did the same in the days of Muhammad. Surah 2, Al Baqarah, verse 85 condemned them for doing so. There is no reason why that judgement for such a view should not apply anymore today.
QURAN SAY THE BIBLE HAS CHANGED?
The Quran nowhere explicitly states the Injeel (Gospel) was changed! But what about the Torah? History shows that whenever God revealed Himself, most of His people fell into disobedience after a period of time. So it was with the Jews. In spite of this sad fact Surah 7, Al A'raf, verse 159 states there were always good Jews who remain true to the book God gave them:
'Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth.' God's word is truth and good Jews surely would never have changed the meaning or even the words of their Holy Book!
'There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, 'That is from Allah,' but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah...' (Surah 3, Ali 'Imran, verse 78)
In the verse quoted above the Jews are reading parts of their Book wrongly while the written words remain unchanged.
'But because of their breach of their Covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard: They change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the Message that was sent... (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 13)
The phrase 'They change the words from their (right) places' could mean that they tampered with the text of the Book. However, the second possibility, that the true meaning was distorted, not the text itself, will have to be given preference in the light of the wider context mentioned above:
-The unchanged Torah was with the Jews of Muhammad's time. -It was referred to by the Prophet in matters of dispute.
In Surah 2, Al Baqarah, verses 75-79 (in verse 75 Jews are listening to the Quran being recited); Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 46;, the Jews are accused of changing, writing down wrongly, what Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) said. After checking all these references it becomes clear that the Torah remained unchanged!
CONCLUSION
The Quran makes it clear that it has not been changed before the time of Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) Otherwise God would have demanded to believe in and follow Scriptures that were already corrupted. If we assume that changes were made while or after the prophet's time, we can simply compare a twenty first century copy with one that was written before the sixth century. The result will be that all the teaching remained the same! Muslims who say that the Bible is corrupted contradict their own book. Therefore, follow the Prophets advice when he said, ‘seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave', by learning what the Torah and the Injeel says. |
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09-16-2007, 04:48 AM
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| “If they (Jews and Christians) had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. Among them there are people on the right course but many of them are of evil conduct.”
(Quran, Al-Ma'da 5:66)
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Chapter 5 Verse 66
If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil.
This noble verse of the Quran informs us that the People of the Book are not holding on to the Torah and the Injeel. Allah (swt) says that if they were following the Torah and the Injeel then they would have enjoyed happiness. Now the Christian missionaries claim that the Quran certifies that the entire Bible is uncorrupted. As we can see in this verse the Quran is actually telling us that they are not following the Torah and the Injeel. Under what circumstances would they not be following it? The only reason why they would not be following it is if they would not have the complete original books. So this verse actually informs us that they do not have the uncorrupted version of the books. Now the latter part of the verse states that among the People of the Book there are a few who are on the right course.
To explain the latter part of the verse, notice in the initial part it says ‘and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord’. This phrase includes the revelation that Prophet Muhammad (saw) is the Messenger of Allah (swt) and all that was revealed to him. So the verse not only talks about them following the Torah and the Injeel in its pure form, but also talks about them following Prophet Muhammad (saw). Now in the latter part of the verse it says that there are some who are on the right course, which means that there are some who are from among the people of the Book who believe in Prophet Muhammad (saw).
Some might say that those from the People of the Book who have accepted Islam would be referred to as Muslims and not as ‘among the People of the Book’. However that claim of theirs is based on nothing but misinterpretations and misinformation. The Quran gives similar messages throughout. One such similar message is seen in the following verse:
And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in Allah, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to Allah: They will not sell the Signs of Allah for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and Allah is swift in account. – [Chapter 3 Verse 199]
Notice how this verse also uses the phrase ‘among the People of the Book’ when referring to those from among them who believe in Allah (swt) and in the revelation sent to Prophet Muhammad (saw). Hence they would be Muslims as well but the Quran yet refers to them as ‘among the People of the Book’. Thus it becomes apparent what Allah (swt) is referring to in Chapter 5 Verse 66.
I have answer these verses already if you glance at my previous Posts if you have problem dear about reading through what i post you can refer to the website http://www.islam.thetruecall.com/mod...rticle&sid=327 already all answers are given in this website what you say ... |
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09-16-2007, 11:17 PM
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| Shalom
"I have answer these verses already"
Yes you have but you continue to ignore why I originally posted the surah 3:42-55. I originally asked a question which you have ignored and just wanted to find contradictions. I said I will not play this game as we can go all day like this.
If you cannot asnwer the questions about Jesus in the verses I originally asked about then you are not trying to asnwer the question for some reason.
So i will need to go elsewhere and find other muslims who will.
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09-17-2007, 09:24 AM
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| Yes you have but you continue to ignore why I originally posted the surah 3:42-55.
i haven't ignore what i answerd also talks about this surah if you read the verses which i quoted from ch:3 it also brings these verses in context as far you didn't read my previous posts therefore you are not interested with the game which guide toward the truth. And i have to present the contradictions of Bible .. it is my duty to inform some one of the truth and falsehood.. in reality you are ignoreing my questions about Bible Contradictions i don't mind people... know best what is the truth and faslehood... Hope this answerd your question thank you..
Again it is my request from you to refer to the website http://www.islam.thetruecall.com/mod...rticle&sid=327 and you will get answer of your post.. Asalam alakom may peace be on you |
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09-18-2007, 04:37 AM
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| Again it is my request from you to refer to the website http://www.islam.thetruecall.com/mod...rticle&sid=327 and you will get answer of your post.. Asalam alakom may peace be on you[/quote]
You HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION AND YOU ASSUME i HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE.
If you really believed about the truth then you would engage on the surah3:42-55 and speak about what the Koran says about Jesus. it is about Jesus in the Koran i want to know about. |
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09-18-2007, 05:43 AM
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| Alexie Loves to get answer through agnostic post anyhow no problem at all..
lets quote the verse what refrence Alexie gave..
verse:42
Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
verse 55
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
what do you wanna prove from it ... that Bible is complete book >? |
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