wais shirzai

If the science was from that time than why Bible is against science ...

Giving answers to you people are wasteing of time ... i would like to quote

It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that… ‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured."

Keep glance on the verses It says that there will be signs for true believers and among the signs in my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents and if they drink deadly poison they shall not be harmed and when they place their hand over sick they shall be cure.

clearly mentioned for testing the true believer.... you can't maze with another ways... to give these verses some other meanings... you should be truth full..... it is a test for testing the true believer why you are lying that it isn't a test why>? Every single christian find the logics to get away from this test because they know that we can't... it as well says they will speak in foriegn tongues new languages i request from you that you mentioned how many languages do you know ? and if i give you a text of urdu and arabic you read it no problem 17 officail languages... and i will present it to you because you are a true believer..

wais shirzai

In the field of medicine, the Bible says in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.14, Verse No.49 to 53 - it gives a novel way for disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy… disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy. It says that… ‘Take two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it - and the other living bird, dip it in water… and under running water - later on sprinkle the house 7 times with it.
Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect against plague of leprosy? You know blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, as well as toxin - I hope any Christian brother/sister does not use this method of disinfecting the OT, the operation theatre. It is mentioned in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.12, Verse No.1 to 5, and we know medically, that after a mother gives birth to a child, the post-partal period, it is unhygienic. To say it is ‘unclean’, Religiously - I have got no objection. But Leviticus, Ch. No.12 Verse No.1 to 5, says that… ‘After a woman gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean for 7 days, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 33 days more. If she give birth to a female child, she will be unclean for two weeks, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 66 days. In short, if a woman gives birth to a male child… ‘a son’, she is unclean for 40 days. If she gives birth to a female child… ‘a daughter’, she is unclean for 80 days. how come a woman remains unclean for double the period, if she gives birth to a female child, as compared to a male child.The Bible also has a very good test for adultery - How to come to know a woman has committed adultery, in the book of Numbers, Ch. no.5 Verse No..11 to 31. I’ll just say in brief. It says that… ‘The priest should take holy water in a vessel, take dust from the floor, and put it into the vessel - And that is the bitter water ‘And after cursing it, give it to the woman And if the woman has committed adultery, after she drinks it, the curse will enter her body, the stomach will swell, the thigh will rot, and she shall be cursed by the people. If the woman has not committed adultery, she will remain clean and she will bear the seed. A novel method of identifying whether a woman has committed adultery or not. You know today in the world, there are thousands of cases pending in different parts of the world, in different courts of law - only on the assumption that someone has alleged that a woman has committed adultery. I had read in the newspapers, and I came to know from the media, that the President of this great country Mr. Bill Clinton, he was involved in a sex scandal about 2 years back. I wonder, that why did not the American court use this ‘bitter water test’ for adultery? He would have gone scot-free immediately. Why did not the Christian missionaries of this great country, specially those who are in the medical field like my respected Alexie, use this bitter water test to bail out their President, immediately.

alexie

Dear waiz

You said,"If the science was from that time than why Bible is against science ..." Because the Bible is not against science. Maybe you are confusing evolution with science.

You said,"Giving answers to you people are wasteing of time ..."
Well then stop wasting time and stop writing on this site or any site where Christians are.

alexie

Dear Waiz

I can find conradictions too.
But this is really a waste of time.

The Qur'an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). If the Qur'an is a perfect book from Allah, then there shouldn't be any contradictions in it. Of course, the Muslims will deny any contradictions exist in the Qur'an, but they do. Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but some of them are clearly contradictions.
A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. The first one here is a good example. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since "nothing" excludes the possibility of "clay." Both cannot be true.
All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur'an online.

What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
"Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
"But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
"He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
"And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
"Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
"The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
"We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).
Is wine consumption good or bad?
O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

alexie

Again waiz I give you the Koran.
I have already posted this.

The Koran says,"Hesaid, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” (Yuhonna 14:6)
Surah al-Imran 3:42-55 agrees with the Injil Sharif. Isa knows
the way to Allah because he has traveled the Straight path
(Tarika) to Allah. “Isa is the Truth because he is the Word of
Allah. Allah’s Word is always true. Isa is the Life because he
was given power over death."

Is this true or is the Koran false when it says this??
Answer it please??
This whole threaD IS an intro to Islam.
Well, you need to begin to understand the Koran.

How many sins did Adam and Eve commit before they were thrown out paradise?
ONe.
oNE SIN WILL KEEP YOU OUT O HEAVEN.
Jesus died once so that you can be forgiven.
Accept Him and you surely go to heaven.

This is what Allah wants for you.

wais shirzai

Man created from sperm and dust
The Qur’an refers to the lowly beginnings of a human being from a drop of sperm, in several verses including the following verse from Surah Al-Qiyamah:

"Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)"?
[Al-Qur’an 75:37]

The Qur’an also mentions in several places that human beings were created from dust. The following verse makes a reference to the origin of human beings:

"(Consider) that We created you out of dust".
[Al-Qur’an 22:5]

We now know that all the elements present in the human body (i.e. the constituent elements of the human body), are all present in the earth in small or great quantities. This is the scientific explanation for the Qur’anic verse that says that man was created from dust.

In certain verses, the Qur’an says that man was created from sperm, while in certain other verses it says that man was created from dust. However this is not a contradiction. Contradiction means statements, which are opposite or conflicting and both cannot be true simultaneously.

2. Man created from water
In certain places the Qur’an also says that man was created from water. For instance in Surah Al-Furqan it says:

"It is He Who has created man from water".
[Al-Qur’an 25:54]

Science has proved all the three statements to be correct. Man has been created from sperm, dust as well as water.

3. It is not a Contradiction but a Contradistinction
Suppose I say that in order to make a cup of tea one needs water. One also needs tea-leaves or tea powder. The two statements are not contradictory since both water and tea leaves are required in order to make a cup of tea. Furthermore if I want sweet tea I can even add sugar.

Thus there is no contradiction in the Qur’an when it says that man is created from sperm, dust and water. It is not a contradiction but a contradistinction. Contradistinction means speaking about two different concepts on the same subject without conflict. For instance if I say that the man is always truthful and a habitual liar, it is a contradiction, but if I say that a man is always honest, kind and loving, then it is a contradistinction.

alexie

Hi Waiz

You said,"clearly mentioned for testing the true believer.... you can't maze with another ways... to give these verses some other meanings... you should be truth full..... it is a test for testing the true believer why you are lying that it isn't a test why>? Every single christian find the logics to get away from this test because they know that we can't... it as well says they will speak in foriegn tongues new languages i request from you that you mentioned how many languages do you know ? and if i give you a text of urdu and arabic you read it no problem 17 officail languages... and i will present it to you because you are a true believer.."

I have already said why this is not a test. It proves nothing as even a false prophet can do these things too. Where does it use the word test? Where does this verse fit in with the whole idea of miracles? Where does it fit in with salvation. Salvation is more important than miracles as without salvation you go to hell.
Christrianity is not a work religion to get saved. Its is grace. A gift. We do works to honour God? When God moves mircales happen. You see, you do not understand miracles. It si the movement of God. Even Jesus sometimes did not make a miracle iocuur because he ssubmitted to His Father above.

I have spoken in tongues. I have cast out demons and I have been healed of an injury to my leg. I could not run or walk properly for 6 months. I was starting to be involved in a prison ministry and I prtayed to God to heal me so I could be involved playing soccer. I played and have had no injury since for 4 years now. This still does not prove I am a Christian. It is through jesus we are Christians and by reflecting His love and sacrifice.
Are you starting to get it??????

alexie

Answert the Question Waiz.
What does the Koran say about Jesus?
You can read it yourself.
Either it is true or the Koran lies?????
You know it is true in your heart but you fight it?
God loves you and wants you to be His child in heaven.
Pray to Him to reveal the truth.
Pray for a dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

alexie

alexie

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Koran, Surah 3
55 And when Allah said: O Isa, I
am going to terminate the period
of your stay (on earth) and cause
you to ascend unto Me and purify
you of those who disbelieve and
make those who follow you above
those who disbelieve to the day of
resurrection; then to Me shall be
your return, so l will decide
between you concerning that in
which you differed.


3:55 It is exciting to read from the Koran that those who follow Isa
and do his work will be lifted above all the unbelievers in the world
At this point you will find this story helpful:
If I wanted to get from here to the capital city, who should I
choose to help me? Should I choose someone who has
never been there or someone who knows the way and lives
there now?
According to the Koran, Isa came down from heaven and is in heaven
today. Therefore Isa knows the way and can help us get there.
Isa was raised to be with Allah
Followers of Isa are made
superior to those who
disbelieve
56
CLOSING QUESTIONS:
Can this prophet, Isa, help you and me get to Allah?
Can Isa show you and me the way to eternal life with Allah in
heaven?

wais shirzai

I have spoken in tongues. I have cast out demons and I have been healed of an injury to my leg. I could not run or walk properly for 6 months. I was starting to be involved in a prison ministry and I prtayed to God to heal me so I could be involved playing soccer. I played and have had no injury since for 4 years now. This still does not prove I am a Christian. It is through jesus we are Christians and by reflecting His love and sacrifice.
Are you starting to get it??????


without prove bring your witness that to prove you have pass the test if it is not mentioned as test it shows to test the True believer we are not tempting god here we tempt you it is a clear sign of true believer which no one could pass it it is a miracle takeing the poison and you will not die impossible but you say i have done these things no prove hypotesis....
and it is as well called that if a false person try to pass this test he/she will die hahah how you say false person could do that do not go maze again..hahah when truth is hurled against faslehood, falsehood perishes for falsehood its by (its nature) bound to perish...