alexie

Waiz

you say Bible has lots of mistakes.
The Koran was given to mohammod how many years after the torah and the Bible? If the Koran says the Bible is good to read then at that time the Bible was ok? That means even if we have bad translations then we still have the true translations. You cannot have it both ways. Either the Koran is not true or the Koran is true and so is the Bible.

alexie

what about this waiz? You stated:
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
verse: 56

I too follow Jesus and praise God. I am of faith. As a Christian am I then a infidel?????? or am I a true believer in God

Seekers

Dear Mickinengland!

If the people in Ireland are not real christian than would you pls explain who are the "Real Christian".
Yes! This is not easy for You that who are "Real Muslim".In Islam No one could be Real Muslim if other Muslim's Belonging and Life are not safe with him.
Even if He is Sunni or Shia.

wais shirzai

This Bible is according to Mark, Mathew,John do you have Bible According to Jesus. we only want the Enjail not the Bible, Bible is mixture for More information about mistakes in the bible refer to my website www.n-islam.com

You also quote the verse it is the verse from surah al Imran Ch:3 versE:55
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

Do you know why the Jesus peace be upon him was raised up because he was the first Messenger whose Tribe Reject him and call him God or son of God he will come back Before day of Resurrection and it is as well mentioned in the bible you can check out this verse that When jesus will come to this world before day of resurrection People will say to Jesus that Oh lord oh lord have we have not done one dozen miracles by your name and Jesus will reply get out of here i even don't know you, you Wicked people.
and jesus as well said in gospel of John ch:7 verse:16 jesus answered. "what i teach is not my own teaching, but it comes from god, who sent me.17 whoever is willing to do what god wants will know whether i speak on my own authorityity are trying18 those who speak on their own authorityity are trying to gain glory for them selves. But he who wants glory for the one who sent him is honest, and there is the law, didn't he? the verse continues.

in this verse i mean verse number 18 it is mentioned that but he who wants glory for the one who sent him is honest Jesus peace be upon him clearly state that God is one he said for the one who sent him is honest it means god is one there is no one partner of God is absloute Eternal.

alexie

Hi waiz

you cannot clain that I should read only the anjil(the true Bible) and then use the same Bible to quote me a verse. But while you are quoting. Jesus said,"I am the way, the truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Remember the Bible was formed before Koran and the words of Jesus are contained. It also places Torah and Injil together.
I ask you again. Am I an infidel or a believer in God.

alexie

Where is Isa at this time?
Ayyah 55 proclaims that Isa was
raised up to Allah himself.
Remember that Allah is 100 percent
holy.
If someone is brought directly to Allah, they too must be 100
percent holy as well. No evil or sinful person can come into the
presence of Allah.
The summary of Isa’s life is as follows:
• Born without inheriting Adam’s evil nature
• Lived a holy and sinless life
• Allah gave him power over life and death
• Isa traveled the straight path (Tarika) to Allah

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• Isa is now with Allah
This is the Truth that comes directly to us from the Qur’an.
Pakka Muslims understand this Truth.
In the Injil Sharif, Isa made a bold statement about himself.

He
said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” (Yuhonna 14:6)
Surah al-Imran 3:42-55 agrees with the Injil Sharif. Isa knows
the way to Allah because he has traveled the Straight path
(Tarika) to Allah. “Isa is the Truth because he is the Word of
Allah. Allah’s Word is always true. Isa is the Life because he
was given power over death.

wais shirzai

I Can prove from the bible that Jesus peace be upon him never said that i am god or where he said worship me you said that am i infidel or true believer of god you are infidel you say to Jesus peace be upon him God or son of god how could we accept that you are true believer ?

You also mentioned that I should read only the anjil(the true Bible) and then use the same Bible to quote me a verse. Point to be noted i said that in my previous Post that There might be some word from god Complete is not the word of god Maybe some verses will be from god i can't say that the complete bible is the word of god you can check my previous post.

you said Anjil (the true bible) i can give you 22 scientific errors and contradictions in bible more than hundred available i can only touch on 22 how could we accept that Bible is the word of god there might be some verses from god complete is not the word of god it is a mixture.

The intention of my Posting is not to hurt the feelings of anyone but to say the truth and to convey the true message of God Almighty (ALLAH(S.W.T).

I will only touch on those Verses where Jesus said that God is one and i am the messenger of Allah(S.w.t)

Lets Know what does the Bible Says Regarding to God

There is not a single uneqvivocable statement in the whole Bible, where Jesus (peace be upon him) himself says, that ‘I am God’, or where he says ‘Worship me’.

Infact if you read the Bible it is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Ch.No. 14, V.No.28, Jesus (peace be upon him) said – ‘My Father is greater than I’ In the Gospel of John, Ch. No.10, V.No. 29 ‘My father is greater than all’. In the Gospel of Mathew Ch.No.12 V.No.28 “I cast out devil with Sprit of God’. Gospel of Luke, Ch. No. 11 V.No.20 “I with the finger of God, cast out devils’. Gospel of John, Ch.No.5 V.No.30 ‘I can of my own self do nothing - as I hear I judge, and my judgement is just, because I seek not my will, but the will of thy Father, who has sent me’. He never claimed Divinity. Infact he came to testify the pervious law. And he mentions in the Gospel of Mathew Ch.5 V.17 to Verse No. 20, ‘Think not that I am come to destroy the law and the Prophets - I am come not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till the heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall not pass away from the law, untill all be fulfilled. And whosoever therefore, shall break one of the least commandments and teach men to do so, will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. And whosoever shall keep them, and teach them so, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For verily, unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and the Pharasees, in no way shall you enter the Kingdom of Heaven. So Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) said, ‘that If you people want to enter Heaven, you have to keep each and every commandment of Prophet Moses (peace be upon him). You have to follow each and every law given in the Old Testament, including the verses I quoted earlier that ‘there is one God, and you should not do idol worship, you should not make any graven image of Him’. Jesus (peace be upon him), he never said that he was God. Infact he said ‘He was sent by God. He was a Prophet of God’. It is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Ch.No. 14, V.No.24, ‘The words that you hear, are not mine, but it is my Father’s, who has sent me’. Gospel of John, Ch.No. 17, V.No.3 ‘This is eternal life, so that you may know there is one true God, and Jesus Christ, who Thou has sent’. And it is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Ch.No.19, V.No.16 and 17, that one of the persons approaches Jesus (pbuh), and says ‘Good Master, what good things shall I do, that I shall attain eternal life’. Jesus (peace be upon him) replies in V.No.17 of Gospel of Mathew, Ch.No.19 – ‘And Jesus said upto him, ‘Why thou callest me good? For there is none good, except One, that is God - And if you want to enter life, keep the commandments’. Jesus (peace be upon him) never said that if you want to go to heaven, you consider me as Almighty God. He never said that you believe that I will die for your sins – In fact he said, ‘You keep the commandments’. It is further mentioned in the book of Acts, Ch.No. 2 V.No.22 “O men of Israel, hear this, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God, amongst you, by miracles, and wonders and signs, which God did by him, in your presence, and you were witness’. It says, ‘Jesus of Nazareth a man approved by God, by miracles and wonders, which God did by him’. And when Jesus (peace be upon him) was asked, that ‘which is the first of the commandments’? he repeated verbitem what was said earlier by Moses (peace be upon him). It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No. 12, V.No. 29, he said ‘Shama Israelo, Ada Ilahaino Ada Ihad’ It is a Hebrew quotation which means, ‘Hear Oh Israel, the Lord our God, is in one lord’. So if you read the Bible, you will understand the concept of God, in Christianity. It reminds me of an incident where Maulana Rahmatullah Karanvi - he was having a discussion with a Christian missionary, who was trying to prove to Maulana Shahib that ‘Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) is God Almighty, and that Jesus (peace be upon him) died for the sins of human beings’. After a great deal of time, without any results, the discussion was continued. Later on, the servant of Maulana Shahib, he comes and whispers something in the Maulana’s ears. The Maulana’s face becomes sad - he starts crying. The Christian missionary asks, ‘Maulana Shahib, ‘what is the bad news?’. The Maulana Shahib said in a very sad tone, ‘My servant, he just gave me information, - he brought news, that Arch Angel Gabriel - he died’. The Christian missionary began to laugh loudly. ‘Maulana Shahib, you being such an intelligent person, how can you believe in such absurd things - Can Angels die?’ The Maulana Shahib said, ‘When God can die, why can’t Angels die?’ And the Christian missionary, without speaking a single word, he left – It is a battle of wits. Lets discuss – ‘The Concept of Almighty God in Islam’. The best answer that any one can give you, regarding ‘the Concept of Almighty God in Islam’, is quote to you the Surah of the Holy Qur’an, Surah Ikhlas, Ch.No. 112, V.No. 1 to 4, which says… (Arabic)…. ‘Say He is Allah, One and only’. (Arabic)… ‘Allah the Absolute and Eternal’. ‘As-Samad’ is a bit difficult to translate - It means, that ‘He exists’, and ‘He has created things, when nothing existed’. Everything and every person is dependent on Him, but he is not dependent on any person, or anything. ‘As Samad’ – ‘The Absolute and Eternal’ (Arabic….) ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten’,(Arabic….) ‘There is nothing like Him’. This is a four line definition of Allah Subhana Wa Talaah, which is the touch stone of Theology - Surah Iklas, is the touch stone of Theology. ‘Theo’ in greek means God – ‘Logy’ mean study. ‘Theology’ means study of God. Surah Ikhlas is the touchstone of Theology.

alexie

Dear Brother waiz

Do not concern yourself with offending me. Speak the truth you believe and that is all that is required.
I am having trouble understanding your english. Obvioulsy this is your second language. I will try my best.
Again I say if the Koran says Bible is to be read and is true then it must be that some time after the Koran that any contradictions must have come in.
I have a Bible directly transalated from the Hebrew/Greek.
As far as contradiction are concerned I could also show you many in the Koran. This is a game that can take a long time and take away fron true understanding of each others position.

You stated,"you are infidel you say to Jesus peace be upon him God or son of god how could we accept that you are true believer ?" I have not said Jesus is son of God. he is the Messiah. Issa Masih.


In surah al-Maidah 5:83 we read: “And when they listen to
what has been sent down to the messenger, you see their eyes
overflowing with tears because of the Truth they have
recognized. They say; “Our Lord! We believe; so write us
down among the witnesses.”
Who are the “they” in this ayyah (verse)? Who are the people
that are able to recognize Allah’s Truth? We will find the
answer in surah al-Imran.
Those who understand this Truth
call themselves “Pakka (True)” or “Complete” Muslims.

The answers are found in surah al-Imran 3:45 and surah
Ambiyaa 21:91. Allah said that He would put his Word into
Maryam. What or who is Allah’s “Word?” To better
understand this, read surah Ambiyaa 21:91 “…and she
(Maryam) guarded her chastity, therefore We breathed into her
of our Spirit and made her and her son a sign for all people.”
Why do we refer to Isa as “Isa Kalimatullah” and “Isa
Ruhullah?” The Qur’an makes it clear; Isa is the Word (Kalim)
and Spirit (Ruh) of Allah. No other person or prophet carries
these titles.
Allah’s “Word” and “Spirit” were placed inside of Maryam and
became a living baby. Allah told Maryam to name the baby Isa
al-Masih (Jesus the Messiah). Al-Masih means “the anointed
or promised one.” 758 years before the birth of Isa, the prophet
Isaiah wrote, “…a virgin will conceive and his name will be

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called, ‘Immanuel’ (Isaiah 7:14). “Immanuel” is a Hebrew
word meaning, “Allah is with us.”
Isa would be honored by all people in this world and forever in
heaven and he would be one of those nearest to Allah Himself.
The Qur’an paints a picture of Isa for us. He is Allah’s Kalim
(Word), His Ruh (Spirit), (al-Masih) the promised anointed
one, and “a sign for (all) the nations” (Ambiyaa 21:91). When
we want to go somewhere that we have never gone before, we
look for a sign to guide us. Where will we go if we follow Isa?

alexie

Dear Brother

The Bible is complete my brother or else the Koran is a lie.
I count myself a muslim because I submit to God through the Messiah jesus.
Even though He is God's Son I do not need to say that or even worry about that. Jesus is the Messiah and that is enough brother.

Because it show us that Isa is the Word and Spirit of Allah, that
he was the anointed promised one, and that he was sinless! All
of this has enlightened me. But wait, there is more…
3:48 And He (Allah) will teach him the Scripture and wisdom,
and the Taurat (Torah) and the Injil (Gospel).
Allah taught Isa the holy Kitabs (Sacred Scriptures).

Pakka Muslims read and understand all four Kitabs: the Taurat, the
Zabur, the Injil, and the Qur’an. Allah instructed Muhammad,
peace be on him, that if he had a question about any message
from heaven, that he should look for the answer among those
who read the “Before Kitabs”, i.e. those Kitabs written before
the Qur’an.

Surah Yunnus 10:94 says “And if thou (Muhammad) art in
doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then
question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee.
Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not
thou of the waverers.”

I have read the Taurat (Torah), the Zabur (Writings), and the
Injil (Gospels). These Kitabs have been translated directly from
the original languages and are trustworthy.
A cow with only one leg cannot stand, but
when he stands on all four legs, he is strong.
A “PakkaMuslim” reads all of the Kitabs.

Surah 4:136
“O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His messenger and
the Scripture which He hath revealed unto His messenger, and
the Scripture which He revealed aforetime. Whoso disbelieveth
in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers
and the Last Day, he verily hath wandered far astray.”

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Have the “Before Kitabs” been changed? The Qur’an says,
“No!” Is Allah not powerful enough to protect His message?
Read in the Qur’an surah an-An’am 6:115-116 “Those unto
whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is
revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad)
of the waverers. Perfected is the Word of the Lord in truth and
justice. There is no one that can change His words. He is the
Hearer, the Knower.”

No one can change the words of Allah. If someone tells you
that the “Before Kitabs” have been changed, ask them, “Who
changed them and when were they changed?” Then ask them,
“Why does the Qur’an which was written 600 years after the
Injil, not tell us that the Injil has been changed?

wais shirzai

if you can't understand my English i apolagize it is non of my business you say that i am muslim because i submit to god through Jesus. ahaha

Do you know what Jesus said he said in Gospel of John, Ch.No.5 V.No.30 ‘I can of my own self do nothing - as I hear I judge, and my judgement is just, because I seek not my will, but the will of thy Father, who has sent me’. he submit his will to almighty god he who submit his self to almighty god in arabic it calls as a muslim Islam comes from the root word sallam which means to submit your will to the will of allah(s.w.t) and it is also derived from the arabic word salaam which means peace in shortcut Islam means Acquireing Peace by submitting your will to the will of allah(s.w.t).
Do not submit your will to the created but to the creator .... who is Allah(s.w.t)


Why don't you glance at my posts? you again quote that 3:48 And He (Allah) will teach him the Scripture and wisdom,
and the Taurat (Torah) and the Injil (Gospel).
Allah taught Isa the holy Kitabs (Sacred Scriptures).

I say that Allah (s.w.t) is talking about Enjail not Bible and if you look at the Holy Book Qur'an You gets that Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him as well know about the Books (Torah and Enjail.... you are supporting me to present the mistakes of Bible not Enjail. no Problem
Lets know the mistakes in Bible

In the field of Zoology, it is mentioned in Leviticus, Chapter No.11 Verse No.6, that… ‘Hare is a cud chewer.’ We know that Hare, does not chew cud’ - Previously people thought by the movement of the hare. Now we know hare is not a cud chewer, neither does it have a compact mentalised stomach. It is mentioned in the Proverbs, Chapter No. 6, Verse No. 7, that… ‘Ant has got no ruler, no sear, no chief.’ Today we know that ants are sophisticated insects. They have a very good system of labour, in which they have chief, they have foreman, they have workers. They even have a queen, they have a ruler - Therefore Bible is unscientific. Further more, it is mentioned in the Bible, in Genesis, Chapter 3, Verse 14, and Isaiah Chapter 65, verse No. 25, that… ‘Serpents eat dust.’ No Geological book says ‘Serpents eat dust.’ It is mentioned in the Book of Leviticus, Chapter No.11, Verse No.20… ‘Among the abomination things, fowls with four feet - They are an abomination.’ And some scholars say that ‘fowl’ is a wrong translation of the Hebrew word ‘uff.’ In King James, it should be ‘insect’ or ‘winged creature.’ And in New International Version, it says… ‘Winged creature.’ But it says… ‘All insects which are four footed, are an abomination - They are detestful for you.’ I want to ask by Dear Respected Christian Borthers/Sisterst that ‘Which insects have got four feet?’Even a student, who has passed elementary school, knows that insects have got 6 feet. There is no bird in the world, there is no foul in the world, there is no insect in the worlds, which have got four feet. Furthermore there are mythical animals, and fabulous animals mentioned in the Bible, as though they exist - For example unicorn. It is mentioned in the Book of Isaiah, Chapter 34, Verse No.7, talking about unicorn as though it exists. You look open the dictionary, it says… ‘An animal which has got a horses’ body, and a horn which is only available in myths.


In the Field of Hydrology the Bible say regarding ‘Hydrology’? Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.9, Verse No.13 to 17, that… ‘After God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood, and after the flood’ subsided, He said… ‘I put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water. To the unscientific person it may be quite good… ‘Oh rainbow is a sign of Almighty God, never to submerge the world by flood again.’ But today we know very well, that rainbow is due to the refraction of sunlight, with rain or mist. Surely there must have been thousands of rainbows before the time of Noah, peace be upon him. To say it was not there before Noah’s time you have to assume that the law of refraction did not exist - which is unscientific.