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06-21-2007, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wais shirzai I must start my post with the Qouatation from the Glorious Qur'an From surah nahl chapter:16 verse:125 which says that invite all to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful Preaching and argue with them in the ways that are best and most Gracious...
May i have your Questions Please xenu ....? | I don't exactly have any questions. I've read quite a few books that have shaped the way I view Islam and modern Islam. Concurrently, do you have any questions since I am the agnositic and you seem to be a muslim guest in this forum?  |
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06-21-2007, 04:26 PM
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Xenu, to be fair the thread does say Intro to Islam!
__________________ "But as for me (I believe) that He is Allah, my Lord, and I shall associate none as partner with my Lord." Surah Al-Kahf verse 38. Holy Quran |
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06-21-2007, 07:56 PM
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| I view Islam as a religion which offers speculative views. The whole quran was conceptualized in 23 yrs. as I understand it. The account of Moses (the Levite prophet representing the God of Mt.Sinai) has also been altered even though it was written well over 2,000 yrs. after the Torah version. How would your prophet know what the truth was? The whole validity of the Islam religion requires that its followers trust the claims of just one man; Muhammad. I don't believe in any religions, but I don't get this one at all.
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06-22-2007, 12:55 AM
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| Asalam alakom peace be on you The brother asked a very beautiful Question which we are supported to answer ...
One thing Brother if you believe in Old testament it was revealed to Moses Peace be upon him If you have the Old testament(Torah) you will see many of the Miracles Of Moses peace be upon him So similarliy the Holy Qu'ran was revealed to Prophet Muhammed Peace be upon him From Allah (S.w.t) Which talks about the Previous Saying as what happend with Jesus peace be upon him and several messengers were send to this world we can count this as a beautiful Miracle of The Noble Qur'an if you say that Naobzobellah that Prophet Muhammed peace be upon Copied From Torah and Bible Etc i can give you a big Research which proves that prophet Muhammed peace be upon him never copied from other books...i would only say some verses of The holy Qur'an which says Allah reconfirms in the Qur’an in Surah Al A’raf chapter 7 verse 157:
"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel"
The prophecy of coming of the unlettered Prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.
Check out in the Scriptures of Bibel and Old testement (Torah) and several reavlations Which were send to the Several Messengers they are talking about The coming of Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him ...
I would also give you an example that:If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The Qur’an also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty God to different prophets. Hope this Answerd your Question if you wants to have More Information Request i can prove it with More Details thank you brother |
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06-22-2007, 01:17 AM
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I don't exactly have any questions. I've read quite a few books that have shaped the way I view Islam and modern Islam. Concurrently, do you have any questions since I am the agnositic and you seem to be a muslim guest in this forum?
Brother you came here to know about Islam which is the religion of peace so ask your questions as i am guest i must tell you every single thing about islam if a Guest came to your home he will Not be silent he must came for Any Purpose which he wants to tell you Similarly i am here to say something about islam..you ask i will answer with prove.... inshallah...thank you |
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06-22-2007, 01:52 AM
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| 31:15 starts sctually from 31:12 and extends to 31:20. It is a scenario with Luqman and his son. This is not a generalization. It only applies to this case.
If you chose to make it a general rule then this becomes a contradiction (Which there are many) in the koran.
Reply to this statement is must: allah says in Surha Luqman ch:31 verse:2
These are Verses of the Wise Book,-
Next verse ch:31 verse:3
A Guide and a Mercy to the Doers of Good,-
we must take the Guidence from it when we are reading the Stories in the Books of our schools they are talking about that one day the hand of a student broke when he came to school he wants to change the place of his chair so he can't convey or change the place of his chair with one hand so another Student came and With unity they changed the Place so these stories are talking for us to be in unity so similarly the Qur'an surah Luqman as well guide us...to be Kind and be in the right path of Islam...and i say that it is the Guidance for the whole of humanity.
"Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy (contradictions)." [Al-Qur’an 4:82]
I CHALLENGE EVERYONE,EVERY HUMANBEING TO POINT OUT A SINGLE VERSE FROM THE QUR'AN WHICH IS AGAINST HUMANITY AS WHOLE...
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06-22-2007, 03:35 AM
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| No Verse in Christianity abstains from Christians either.
Ask Them!
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09-06-2007, 04:34 AM
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| ISA KNOWS THE WAY TO HEAVEN
Where Isa is now Koran, Surah 3
55 And when Allah said: O Isa, I
am going to terminate the period
of your stay (on earth) and cause
you to ascend unto Me and purify
you of those who disbelieve and
make those who follow you above
those who disbelieve to the day of
resurrection; then to Me shall be
your return, so l will decide
between you concerning that in
which you differed.
What to say about this verse:
3:55 It is exciting to read from the Koran that those who follow Isa
and do his work will be lifted above all the unbelievers in the world
At this point you will find this story helpful:
If I wanted to get from here to the capital city, who should I
choose to help me? Should I choose someone who has
never been there or someone who knows the way and lives
there now?
According to the Koran, Isa came down from heaven and is in heaven
today. Therefore Isa knows the way and can help us get there. |
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09-06-2007, 05:56 AM
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| The alexie Asked very good Question nice question
If you Read the first Few Verses from Surah Al Imran you will come into context It is mentioned in Surah Al Imran ch:3 verse:45 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
Verse 46 "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
Verse 47
She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
Verse 48 "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
Verse:49 "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
Verse 50 '(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
Verse 51 "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"
Verse 52 When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples: "We are Allah.s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
Verse 53 "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger. then write us down among those who bear witness."
Verse 54 And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
verse 55 (Which you mentioned) Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
verse: 56 "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Verse 57 "As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong."
Verse 58 "This is what we rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom."
Verse 59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
Verse 60
The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
We should obey and follow Jesus peace be upon him if any muslim don't obey and respect Jesus peace be upon him he/she is a not muslim/muslima when Allah(s.w.t) said that you should follow and obey the Jesus than you will get Reward or Heaven the above Verses defines that Allah(s.w.t) says that Jesus came to this world to tell the people that God is one and only. he came to this world for just tawheed for saying that god is one if you present the Real Enjail not Bible which is Mixture as well the whole chapters are regarding to mark, mathew etc we don't accept the bible maybe some word will be from god but the complete is not the word of god we respect Jesus Peace be upon him to him was Revealed Enjail The Bible is not the Enjail it has Lots of mistakes etc. If you bring and follow the Enjail which was Revealed From God almighty to prophet Jesus peace be upon him and Follow it you will come to accept the religion islam through that book because jesus peace be upon him clearly specified Allah(s.w.t) that Mohammad s.a.w will come so through Enjail you will accept the religion of Islam Jesus peace be upon him was just Messenger not god or son of god Allah is one and only as Allah(s.w.t) says in surah Ikhlas ch:112 verse:1 Qaol Howallah hao ahad say he is allah one and only. and Qur'an never says that Jesus came from Heave it is mentioned in the Verse i mentioned above She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
This verse Clearly state that God Almighty can Do what he willeth. For Getting the Qur'an With English Translation, in Urdu Translation, In Spanish Translation, In German Translation, Indonesian Translation, French Translation, Russian Translation, Melayu Translation, Refer to our Website www.N-Islam.com |
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09-06-2007, 06:31 AM
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| So what do you make of this on Hadith Bukhari?
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 105:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
(...)Afterwards the Christians will be called upon and it will be said to them, 'Who do you use to worship?' They will say, 'We used to worship Jesus, the son of Allah.' It will be said to them, 'You are liars, for Allah has never taken anyone as a wife or a son,'(...) |
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