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04-12-2008, 07:45 PM
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creepy indeed ....
You know the one thing that I always found curious about the bible was how wrathful the god of the old testament is/was and the new testament is like it's a whole different fellow ....
I've never asked by am curious how theologians explain the two different gods?
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04-12-2008, 07:49 PM
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I found many people requesting to remove Old Testament from the Bible, since it's incoherent.
A Polish friend ever told me about a movement to do so back on the beginning of Christianity, I need to find him again, since I forgot the name of that movement. 
This was what I said on another forum on a discussion on comparison between the 3 religions of the book: Quote:
That thing of Jewish, Christians and Muslims to worship the same God is hell of a big hoax. It's impossible, they are way too incoherent with each other, so either:
a) Two of those religion worships the wrong God.
b) God is incoherent and therefore the dogma of God to be perfect makes no sense.
c) God is a bastard, spreading conflicts and hate to enjoy see people killing each other over religion.
d) God doesn't exist at all.
One of those 4 are true... and I'm up to d) option, would accept a) with reserves if Old Testament was removed out of the Christian Bible....
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04-12-2008, 07:53 PM
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e) none of the three religions is correct and god is something else?
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04-12-2008, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by romansh  option
e) non of the three religions is correct and god is something else? | It's a good point. I see if I don't forget to add that one to my options on the next chance.
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04-21-2008, 10:19 PM
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|  Marcionism, perhaps?
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Originally Posted by SirArthur I found many people requesting to remove Old Testament from the Bible, since it's incoherent.
A Polish friend ever told me about a movement to do so back on the beginning of Christianity, I need to find him again, since I forgot the name of that movement. | I'm not 100% certain, but you might be referring to Marcionism. But they were not the only ones who advocated this position; various Christian sects have suggested either disposing of the OT entirely, or relegating it to a position of "historical interest" only.
I suspect that, if you ask a lot of modern Christians of the "liberal" sort, they'd probably agree that the OT is not really all that important to them, that they could do without it. Liberal Christian thinkers like Bishop Spong certainly de-emphasize it (much to the chagrin of fundies, who hate him for it). | |
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04-21-2008, 10:37 PM
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Yes, that was it. I knew it started by "M" but couldn't find the rest. Thank you.
Indeed Marcionism should be a subject I'll look forward into. Perhaps these "I Century heretics" are what I been seeking for, since one of my first reasons of Agnosticism is the discrepancy and total incoherence between the "God of Love" from Christ and that "hateful and bloodthirsty" God, Yahweh, described on OT. Quote: |
"In the god of the [Old Testament] he saw a being whose character was stern justice, and therefore anger, contentiousness and unmercifulness. The law which rules nature and man appeared to him to accord with the characteristics of this god and the kind of law revealed by him, and therefore it seemed credible to him that this god is the creator and lord of the world (κοσμοκράτωρ). As the law which governs the world is inflexible and yet, on the other hand, full of contradictions, just and again brutal, and as the law of the Old Testament exhibits the same features, so the god of creation was to Marcion a being who united in himself the whole gradations of attributes from justice to malevolence, from obstinacy to inconsistency."
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04-24-2008, 06:20 PM
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Actually Marcionism was a 2nd century heresy, not a 1st. There are actually few known 1st century heresies, and what there are, are poorly documented. The most important would have been "the Judaizers," whom Paul addressed in Galatians, and the Ebionites/Nazarenes.
It's no coincidence that both of these heresies considered Christ's mission to have been primarily or solely to Jews, and not Gentiles. | |
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