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Old 09-01-2007, 01:28 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Isa is Jesus

I. ISA IS HOLY
Holiness of Isa Koran, Surah 3
42 And when the angels said: O
Marium! surely Allah has chosen you
and purified you and chosen you
above the women of of the world.
43 O Marium! keep to obedience to
your Lord and humble yourself, and
bow down with those who bow. “
44 This is of the announcements
relating to the unseen which We
reveal to you; and you were not with
them when they cast their pens (to
decide) which of them should have
Marium in his charge, and you were
not with them when they contended
one with another.
45 When the angels said: O Marium,
surely Allah gives you good news with
a Word from Him (of one) whose
name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of
Marium, worthy of regard in this world
and the hereafter and of those who
are made near (to Allah)
46And he shall speak to the people
when in the cradle and when of old
age, and (he shall be) one of the
good ones.

Isa is righteous
Mary chosen by God to bear
Jesus into the world
Isa is the Word of God
Isa is the Messiah
Isa is near to Allah/God
50
47 She said: My Lord! when shall
there be a son (born) to I me, and
man has not touched me? He said:
Even so, Allah creates what He
pleases; when He has decreed a
matter, He only says to it, Be, and it
is.

What to say about these verses:
3:42-43 At a dark moment in the history of the world, Allah did
something very unusual. Allah spoke through an angel to a young
virgin woman named Maryam. He told her that He had chosen her for
an unusual role.
3:44 The Koran says the angels cast lots to see who would be given
the privilege to guard over Maryam during the time of this assignment
that Allah had given her.
Muslims often call Jesus “Isa-Rohullah.” Why do we call ‘Isa by this
name? The answer is in Al-Imran 3:45.
3:45 Allah said that He would put his Word into Maryam. “Word” is
also the word for ‘breath’ or ‘spirit of Allah.’ (If necessary you can
reference Koran 4:171 “… speak the truth; the Messiah, ‘Isa son of
Maryam is only an apostle of Allah and his Word which He
communicated to Maryam and a spirit from Him.”) So the Koran
teaches us that ‘Isa Rohullah means “Jesus the Spirit of Allah.” Also
commonly used is, “Isa Kalamtullah” which means “Jesus the Word of
Allah.” Allah’s Word” (Rohullah) would become flesh in the form of a
baby. Allah told Maryam to name the baby ‘Isa Masih. Masih means,
“The Anointed or Promised One” Isa would be honored by all people
in this world and forever in heaven. Finally, Allah said that Isa would
be one of those nearest to Himself.
3:46 Furthermore, Allah said that Isa would speak to the world, not
only as an adult, but also from the cradle. How could Isa speak to the
world as a baby from the cradle? There was something about Isa’s
birth that is a testimony to the whole world! Allah also said that Isa
would be righteous.
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:39 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Dear Muslim brothers

Muslim means to submit. I too submit to God through the messiah Jesus.
We are brothers and Allah commands you to follow Him.

3:49 Allah demonstrated His power through Isa. The Koran says that
the lepers were healed, the blind received their sight, and even the
dead were raised to life again.

QUESTION: What is our greatest enemy? Answer: death!
No one overcomes death – but Isa did!
Once again, the Koran has flooded my soul with hope. Isa had the
power to raise the dead – POWER OVER DEATH! This is amazing.
Before, I had thought that death was the strongest enemy in the
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world. But the Koran says that Isa has been given power over death.
The world has been waiting for a prophet who could conquer our
greatest and final enemy –death!

NOTE: In Surah 10:94 the Koran speaks before Books/Scriptures
(Kitabs) that were before:
And if thou (Mohammed) art in doubt as to what We reveal
unto thee, then question those who have read the Scripture
(that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath
come unto thee. So be not of the waverers.

The Scriptures (Holy books/kitabs) that were before are the
Taurat (Torah), l the Zabur (Psalms) and the Injil (Gospel).
3:50 Isa said that his life verified or confirmed what the prophets
had spoken about him in the ‘Before Kitabs (Holy books).’ The old
prophets spoke much about ‘Isa Masih. When I read the ‘Before
Kitabs,’ I found over three hundred prophecies about ‘Isa spoken by
the prophets. For example this one was written 758 years before the
birth of ‘Isa; it says: “God himself shall give you a sign, ‘Behold a
virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name,
Emanuel.’ In the original language, the name ‘Emanuel’ means, ‘God
is with us.’”

3:51 Isa said that the Straight Path is to worship Allah alone.
3:52-53 In order to get all of the people of the world to worship Allah
alone, Isa asked for some helpers. A small group of men (the
disciples) came forward and said that they are Muslims and that they
will help Isa.
In addition, they said that they believe in Allah’s
message and the Messenger (Isa) that He sent down (note that not
all translations say, “that He sent down). Down from where?
Obviously, Isa was sent down from heaven.
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:40 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Koran, Surah 3
55 And when Allah said: O Isa, I
am going to terminate the period
of your stay (on earth) and cause
you to ascend unto Me and purify
you of those who disbelieve and
make those who follow you above
those who disbelieve to the day of
resurrection; then to Me shall be
your return, so l will decide
between you concerning that in
which you differed.


3:55 It is exciting to read from the Koran that those who follow Isa
and do his work will be lifted above all the unbelievers in the world
At this point you will find this story helpful:
If I wanted to get from here to the capital city, who should I
choose to help me? Should I choose someone who has
never been there or someone who knows the way and lives
there now?
According to the Koran, Isa came down from heaven and is in heaven
today. Therefore Isa knows the way and can help us get there.
Isa was raised to be with Allah
Followers of Isa are made
superior to those who
disbelieve
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CLOSING QUESTIONS:
Can this prophet, Isa, help you and me get to Allah?
Can Isa show you and me the way to eternal life with Allah in
heaven?
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:47 AM   #24 (permalink)
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“If they (Jews and Christians) had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed unto them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. Among them there are people on the right course but many of them are of evil conduct.”
(Quran, Al-Ma'da 5:66)

Muslims are commanded in the Quran to believe in the books of the Jews and the Christians, the Torah and the Injeel (Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 136)known to the Christians as "Bible". But are they not changed or in part forgotten? If that was the case when should it have happened, how and by whom? What excactly has been distorted and why? There must be a reason behind such a deception. What would be the advantage or benefit from it? Muslims best look up their Quran to find out what it says about such serious charges.
'And if thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the book from before thee..' (Surah 10, Yunus, verse 94)
‘Those who have been reading ‘the book from before thee' are Jews and Christians! It would make no sense for Allah to command doubters to ask people for guidance whose Scriptures had been corrupted! Several verses in the Quran bear witness to the truth that the Torah was unchanged at the time of Jesus. I

n Surah 19, Maryam, verse 12, Yahya, who lived at the time of Jesus was told 'to take hold of the Book, (the Torah).' Surah 3, Ali'Imran, verse 48 tells us that Jesus was also taught in the Torah.
Numerous verses attest to the truth that the Torah was uncorrupted in the time of Muhammad, the sixth century AD (Surah 34, Saba, verse 31, Surah 35, Fatir, verse 31). The Arabic phrase 'bain yadaihi' which is used in these references to the Torah literally means 'between his hands.' This usually is an idiom for 'in his possession,' or 'at his disposal'. Some Jewish contemporaries of Muhammad are called 'those who guide and do justice in the light of truth,' besides many others whose reputation was not so favourable. (Surah 7, Al Araf, verse 159) The very fact that they were commended so highly shows that they were in possession of the uncorrupted Torah.
'…Say, 'Bring ye the Law and study it, if ye be men of truth.' (Surah 3, Ali 'Imran, verse 93) In this specific incident the Jews are asked to bring their own Law, the Torah. They are commanded by God to study it in order to find the right answer to a particular question. 'But why do they come to thee for decision, when they have (their own) Law before them? -Therein is the (plain) command of Allah;.... (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 43)
Maududi comments on this verse: '...sometimes, when their own law did not suit them, they would take their cases to the Holy Prophet in the hope that they might obtain a more favourable decree from him than they could from their own law.' ('The meaning of the Quran', 12th Edt. 1992, S.A. Maududi, Isl. Publ., Pakistan) This shows clearly that even corrupted Jews would never change the written Torah! They were only prepared to conceal the meaning of it. In spite of their wickedness, they did not dare to change the written form of the Torah! That is why, according to the Quran, Allah told them to look up their own law in which is the plain command of God!
'Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.' (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 47)

This command is given to Muhammad's contemporaries, it is written in the 'present' tense which in the Arabic language can also refers to the future! If the Gospel (Injil) was corrupted at that time then surely Allah would never have asked the people of the Gospel, the Christians, to believe in it!

'If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course...' (Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, verse 69)
Brothers of Islam lets unite under one banner. The banner of Jesus and the love He brings. There is only one God and His messiah is Jesus.
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Old 09-01-2007, 01:52 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Not Christian or Jew or Muslim,
not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen.
Not any religion or cultural system...

My place is the placeless,
a trace of the traceless.
Neither body nor soul.

I belong to the beloved.

-Jalal al-din Muhammed Rumi
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:32 PM   #26 (permalink)
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ha ha ha
Even one proudly claimed that he/she is an agnostic, still trapped in the demon and satan conceptions.
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ha ha ha
Even one proudly claimed that he/she is an agnostic, still trapped in the demon and satan conceptions.
I notice that as well. Interesting.
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Gosh... more zombie talk...

Something to consider:

If comes a religion that acts a compulsive lier in order to gather its followers, such religion is Islam, here is just a small compilation of the most used (you probably already saw them by the media).

Please note, this article expresses what Islam is indeed, what its books says, not the actions of Muslims. Actually I found most of Muslims to believe these "lies" and put them to practice unaware that they're doing the opposite of what their religion says (what is good by the way).

Lie #1 - Islam means peace

Half-true, but a half-true is a full lie; Islam, Islam comes from the ROOT word in Arabic SA’LA’MA which contains the following 5 words:

Surrender, Submission, Obedience, Purity/Sincerity and Peace.

or in general terms "Peace by submission", what Romans called a PAX or in more simple terms is like a bully says to not bully you if you do what he wants. This is no "peace" at all.

Lie #2 - Christ is a prophet of Islam

Another half-truth, it refers Christ, or Iça as they call him, as being a prophet... but nothing else, the only reference with more attention is to say he's not son of God, nor Muhammad's doctrines are compatible with Jesus'. So why they call him a prophet if they don't seam to give a damn about Jesus' teachings?

Lie #3 - Allah means God

Yes it does... on Aramaic. The problem here is that Muhammad didn't speak Aramaic, he spook Arabic where "Allah" at his time means absolutely nothing, the word didn't even exist.

Lie #4 - Islam allows free thinking

Islam is a religion... no religion actually does allow it.

Lie #5 - Islam is Universal

No, it was made in Middle East and reflects a VII Century life on Middle East. Even Muhammad's teachings quite recurring uses camels and fauna from that part of the globe.

Lie #6 - Islam is pro-equality

This is a huge lie, Islam is based and supports many kinds of hierarchies with high levels of discrimination and enslavement.

Lie #7 - Islam isn't racist

Muhammad was, he compared the black people's head with raisins. Also Islam makes note that Muhammad was white.

Lie #8 - You can try Islam and if you don't like you can quit

The penalty for leaving Islam is death.

Lie #9 - Islam allows Christians and Jews to live free within Muslim controlled countries

No, they don't. They do under a tax and several cut off of citizenship rights. They were actually the predecessors of Hitler's idea for the Jews by forcing Jews and Christians who live under Islamic regions to wear yellow (Jew) or blue (Christian) badges.

Lie #10 - Taxes may be lower with Islam

Yes... they only ask 10% (20% for non-Muslims), the problem is that 10 or 20% tax is addressed to religion, not to the public benefice or infrastructures.

Lie #11 - Islam is about charity

Charity is one of their 5 pillars alright... but Muslim charity can only be addressed to other Muslims. In order to a Muslim to aid a non-Muslim this last one has to convert first (or die starve) - This ain't charity, this is take advantage of other people's misery.

Also we have Reverse lies, things Muslims claim to be there but aren't.

Reverse Lie #1 - You can't draw Muhammad

Such rule is nowhere.

Reverse Lie #2 - Mecca is a saint place and you must pray towards it

No it isn't and no you don't. Muhammad cursed all those who make their prophet's graves places of worship so why make his own grave a place of worship?
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my 17 year old son returns from the middle east tonight ... I have crossed my fingers, sacrificed virgins, tossed coins in fountains and made wishes that his portion of the middle east would stay quiet .... now all I have to worry about is all these damn cancelled flights to get him home save to mom!

Islam has a many lies as any other religion .... it's those that buy into those lies that I have pity on .....
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I wish you, and your son, the best on his return home.

Yes, it does, religions are quite often supported on lies and, big religions, on that fallacious system of argumentum ad populum, but it's always good to make notice on what those lies might be, imagine someone to convert out of that bunch of lies and find himself trap in a religion that menaces him to death if he quits... creepy!
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