Number 6

I want to understand - if you kill many people for the deity, then it will let you F@#% women?
Basically, He awards sexual pleasures for servitude. I don't know how it's called on the higher planes. But here, on earth, it's called being a pimp.

I see no higher blasphemy.

If I had to imagine what heaven looks like, I'd probably say that you get there as an incorporeal being, that it's some ethereal place where you get to know everything and feel an ultimate, non-physical and sublime pleasures for all eternity, that you become one with god etc.

It seems that, according to some "pious" people out there, paradise is a bordello.

But I'm just a decadent person, unlike those holy worshippers; so what do I know.

Geshtinnanna

You are kinda ignorant so I would refrain from discussing Islamic law without some basic knowledge of what it is you are insulting. If you'd like, I can have my Muslim friend explain exactly what you seem to be ill informed on.

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Faith

You imagine right. And someone i know will say something like, "Oh those Christians think they know everything!" But if you really think about it, who is the one god, that everyone naturaly knows in their heart as God. Well, God lol. Kinda ironic people call their deity gods and one of them is named God. Other than your natural instinct, thats gotta tell you something.

Exactly number 6, a God rewarding with sex, is absolute insanity. Heaven is not the pimp play ground. When you get there, there will be no more physical body. There will be nore more pain, thirst, hungey, sin, lust none of that. you don't just die so you can go have sex with a bunch of people. Sounds good to alot of people who are perverts and adulterers, but I assure you, not one evil thought of that will be in your mind.

You can tell that that was written from the mind of an evil man who lusts for death and sex.

Geshtinnanna

You too huh? We need some edumacation up in here for you guys. It's sad.

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The An-Jel

I think it's that whole different strokes for different folks thing that gets them. Number 6 doesn't feel worthy of the virgins and Faith well... he probably doesn't want to end up being one of the virgins for the worthy woman that meets Allah.

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mezzen

In Islam, Paradise is a place of eternal life for the believer, a place where no-one will have ill-feelings toward another. The Prophet said, in Paradise there are things which no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human mind has thought of, and that one who experienced even a brief stay in Paradise will forget every past hardship. The Prophet described it in great detail, saying that even the smallest things in Paradise are worth more than the Earth and all that is in it. The greatest part of Paradise will be the opportunity to see Allah, and talk to all the Messengers since Adam and for as long as you wish, as there is no time limit. In fact, one could talk for days about the descriptions given by Muhammad. One of the important concepts is that in Paradise all the pleasures are untainted, whereas on Earth any kind of pleasure in excess has some negative consequence, so for example, eating too much good food may result in bad health or repeatedly getting drunk might result in family/social problems. All the foods and drinking, including wine, will be pure and without any negative effects. The same applies to the people, no calls of nature or menstruation, everything is purified.

In Paradise, whatever need one has will be fulfilled, if one liked driving cars or flying planes, or playing games, it will be provided. While in the Qur'an and hadith, sex isn't explicitly mentioned as far as I'm aware, scholars agree that it is certainly implied and so if the dwellers want sex they will have as much of it as they want and of course, sex will have no ill-effects, being pure like everything else. The concept of servants, or 'wives', in Paradise is not that they are humans, at least those that existed on Earth, but human-like and made for Paradise. To be fair, I'm not an expert on this, in fact, no Muslim I know discussed the idea of sex in Paradise until certain elements of the media got excited over it.

Now maybe one can choose to be, as the OP put it, an incorporeal being, in some ethereal place where one gets to know everything and feel an ultimate, non-physical and sublime pleasures, but judging by the almost universal appeal sex has, I expect such an incorporeal being would be very lonely in that part of Paradise. Perhaps wishing for an incorporeal self would be something for those in Hell, and contrary to the OP's apparent belief, killing many people is the way find that out.

Number 6

What ignorance? Does the deity promise sex for servitude? yes or no?
because if he does he's a pimp.
and what does islamic law has to do with this promise? (not only islam promises sex for service, so it's more general discussion - I should have put it in 'God Talk')


Well, I really don't blame you, you probably hit your head so many time on the floor while being gang-banged by hood-wearing cultists chanting ridiculous chants, that you turned from just a non-smart female-dog into a super-non-smart female-dog.

Number 6

That's a very primitive notion of an afterlife.
what differentiate us from the animals is our ability to transcend our physical body, to be aware that we are aware, and NOT our carnal desires - desires that are a byproduct of the need to survive (food and drink - to survive, sex - to procreate). These desires are not the end but a mean.
In paradise, you will not have to eat or drink to survive and certainly you don't need to procreate.

One would think the deity will award you with PURER pleasures.
And why would you need to ENGAGE in something in order to feel pleasure, why can't the deity just give the pleasure and that's it. (maybe in the future we will be able to stimulate the brain to achieve greater desires without doing anything).



Are you talking about paradise or Vegas? (whores, wine, planes)

If they are made of flesh and blood and have self awareness they are human.
if not, then are they robots? isn't having sex with a robot considered masturbation? and what about jerking off, is it allowed in your paradise?
what about gay sex? if those "women" are not real women, then what about men that are not men, what's the harm? is anal sex allowed there? oral? sado?
do you have a penis there, a penis that you stick in a pussy and release semen?

I can go on. but, 'nough said.

You clearly don't say that god engages in those activities, or do you? wouldn't you be closer to god if you, too, didn't engage in those?

It's clear that your notions about paradise are primitive and animalistic.

If god exists, I find it hard to believe that he's a panderer, or a manager in 'six flags'.

Faith

lol. So you are saying that Allah has a PS3 or maybe a Divine Station 3, a racing track, and an airport? Does he also have a sword collection which the muslims who liked to kill other people can use?

And a heaven which only provides impure sinful pleasures, is not heaven. It sounds to me like this guy Mahammad was basicly reading through the scriptures, and editing it to what was in his best interest.

mezzen

Those are just some pretentious statements about the difference between animals and man, or the evolution of our desires. You've assumed that pleasure, derived from sex, eating and drinking, is some kind of evolutionary byproduct. Of course, evolution of man from man-ape is something Muslims do not accept, nor can either school of thought disprove the other. However, I won't need to uphold this point.

Furthermore you're philosophical by begging to explore the fundamental science behind pleasure or how the mind and soul function. Man is completely in the dark about such things, maybe science will one day answer a few things but I'm not going to speculate more. You cannot attack religion with another religion, including philosophical remarks.

You claim that from the point of view of the mind or soul there are different forms of pleasure and you've arbitrarily attached labels of pure and impure to them expecting me to accept them. You haven't explained why drinking is an impure pleasure and whether you label it carnal or not doesn't mean anything. To elucidate, deriving pleasure from knowing about someone's misfortune thus laughing at that person isn't carnal, it's not pleasure of the flesh nor can you just claim it is a byproduct of survival nor is it something strikingly 'animalistic'. Yet it seems like one might class it as impure, it does not befit a good person in Paradise. So whether something is carnal or not is irrelevant, what matters is what God (if you believe in Him) has ordained.

Moving on, ironically, what you say about not having to eat, drink or procreate in Paradise is exactly what Islam teaches. There is hadith that state that one will be provided with an initial meal and drink which remove hunger and thirst for eternity. So if a Paradise-dweller didn't want to eat and drink or procreate that's his or her right, but most people are not going to be enticed by your idea of Paradise.

As I mentioned before, the greatest pleasure in Paradise will be actually seeing Allah. Now if this manifests itself as a 'physical' pleasure, or a feeling of satisfaction in knowing, is irrelevant to me, God decides. Nevertheless, I expect this is one of your 'purer' forms of pleasure. It is a pity you cannot come up with a reason to think that pleasure through sight, or knowledge (by the way most people need to sense things to achieve knowledge of them), is inherently less pure than through other senses, unless you can explain to me exactly how the soul/mind functions. Instead you just make blanket statements. Some people may have had negative sexual experiences or problems, resulting in a hate of sex, but that doesn't make sex inherently evil.

Muslims don't want, need or pretend to mimic to God who is unlike mankind therefore no speculation about Him is helpful either. Muslims accept His absolute superiority and worship of Him will continue in Paradise, one cannot get close to God in the sense you mean. Your fantasy of being in Paradise in order to try to be like God is arrogant, untenable and hypocritical. Most people accept that they're human, with 'primitive' desires and in a way it is a pleasure to not have to hate one's state, but your ego is clearly missing out on that one.