Jesus and Islam - Page 13

niranjan · 06-02-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sisterX

On the basis that the Quran is the ONLY religious scripture still in it's original pure and unaltered form.

And how do you know rationally that quran is the only religious scripture still in its 'original pure and unaltered form', while the other scriptures have been "tampered".

sisterX · 06-02-2007, 10:01 AM

Please tell me of another!

niranjan · 06-02-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sisterX

Please tell me of another!

The vedas, Bhagavad Gita, the Dhammapada, the Tao te Ching, the Guru Granth Sahib, the teachings of Bahaullah.

**Jacob** · 06-02-2007, 12:30 PM

Sister X: I am glad that you feel equal to the others who share your Islamic religion. However, I regard human proclaimations of an almighty God as hearsay. Am I considered by your religion as an equal too? If not, then my freedoms are being abused.

Jacob

sisterX · 06-02-2007, 10:44 PM

I am talking about monothiesm.

Polytheism is so discredible. The Hindu cast system is nothing short of facism.
The fact that you can be BORN into being called 'untouchable' is just disgusting. And female widows having to die when their husbands die!
Hinduism seems to treat animals better than it treats human beings, but that could just be because you worship cows and monkeys.

niranjan · 06-02-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterX

I am talking about monothiesm..

And Hinduism is also monotheistic, in fact monistic. We believe God , Brahman, pervades everything. The vedas itself says that all the gods come from the supreme Lord Brahman.

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Originally Posted by sisterX

The Hindu cast system is nothing short of facism...

The caste system is not sanctioned by the vedas. It is basically a feudal institution like the feudal systems in Europe and Japan and other countries.

And the caste system has been banned in India by hindu reformers themselves, and those who practice caste discrimination are arrested and prosecuted and made an example of.

Slavery , brutal torture, slaughter in Islam is more akin to fascism, especially the practice of enslaving the women of the unbelievers, putting them in harems and forcing sexual relationships with them. Even the fascists did not do that.

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Originally Posted by sisterX

The fact that you can be BORN into being called 'untouchable' is just disgusting. ...

Untouchability too is not sanctioned by the vedas or any hindu scripture, and they were devised by power hungry brahmins. And it is banned too in India.

I too am a so-called untouchable , and the shudra caste too have produced hindu enlightened masters who have fought against caste discrimination successfully, and who can be called as the true representatives of Hinduism.

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Originally Posted by sisterX

And female widows having to die when their husbands die!...

The practice of sati, was among the kshatriya or warrior castes. When the kshatriyas or warriors were killed in battle , their wives committed sati, in order to prevent themselves from being outraged by the enemy. This became a tradition among the kshatriyas, and this too was banned by hindu reformers.

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Originally Posted by sisterX

Hinduism seems to treat animals better than it treats human beings, but that could just be because you worship cows and monkeys.

It was the feudal caste system that treated the lower castes a bit badly compared to the upper castes but they were free men and had their rights too and they too were protected . The same can be said of the peasants in other countries, like those in russia and europe.

And we see God as omnipresent and present also in animals, and hence we revere animals, and worship not only animals, but also nature as it is all the manifestation of Brahman, the supreme lord.

niranjan · 06-02-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by niranjan

The vedas, Bhagavad Gita, the Dhammapada, the Tao te Ching, the Guru Granth Sahib, the teachings of Bahaullah.

And do you believe that these holy scriptures which is revered all over the world , has been tampered by man, including the teachings of Bahaullah, the noble prophet of the bahai religion and bahais, who were tortured and persecuted by islamic terrorists and fundamentalists.

sisterX · 06-03-2007, 02:57 PM

Niranjan I really do not want to insult your belief.
Just as you do not want me to attribute the pratices of ignorant Hindus to the Hindu scriptures, I dont want you to attribute the acts of ignorant Muslims to Islam as a religion.
I've said this before, do not judge a religion by it's followers judge it by it's scriptures.
I admit I have not read the Hindu scriptures but have read the Quran?
If you had you would know that torture, rape and slavery is far from what the Quran teaches.

Muhammed encouraged everyone to free their slaves.

Muslims are not permitted to be agressors or opressors. They are told to spread the deen of Islam and if people fight them for doing so then they must protect themselves. But there is NO COMPUSION in religion.
Torture is strictly prohibited in Islam and so is rape, even forcing your own wife is prohibited.

Here are some passages from the Quran regarding what I've just talked about.

"...if any one killed a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed the whole of makind: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole of mankind...(Noble Quran 5:32)"

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)

" "God commands justice, the doing of the good, and liberality to kith and kin. He forbids all shameful deeds, injustice and rebellion. Thus does he instruct you, that you may receive admonition." Holy Quran 16:90

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know and cooperate with one another." Holy Quran 49:13

"...approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, he could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them)." Holy Qu'ran 4:90

"If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." holy quran 8:61

"You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant." holy quran 7:199

"Nay, I swear by this city... We verily have created man in an atmosphere... But he hath not attempted the Ascent, Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Ascent is! It is to free a slave, And to feed in the day of hunger, An orphan near of kin, Or some poor wretch in misery. And to be of those who believe and exhort one another to perseverance and exhort one another to pity." Holy Qur'an: Surah 90

"Tell the believing men... And tell the believing women... And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid servants. If they be poor; Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware. And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing of emancipation, write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity." Qur'an 24:27-33

"It is not righteousness that you turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believes in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the Prophets; and giveth his wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God fearing." Holy Qur'an 2:177

"Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will take you to task for the oaths which ye swear in earnest. The expiation thereof is the feeding of ten of the needy with the average of that wherewith you feed your own folk, or the clothing of them, or the liberation of a slave, and for him who findeth not (the wherewithal to do so) then a three day fast. This is the expiation of your oaths when you have sworn; and keep your oaths."Holy Qur'an 5:89

And the enslavement of the wives of the disbelievers is explained in this link.
http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=14421

Chapstiquelova · 06-03-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterX

Please tell me of another!

People can still go back to the greek/hebrew words of the bible, scrolls have been dug up of books of the bible.

Chapstiquelova · 06-03-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lauraclay

I don't think you can believe in opposing/conflicting religions. But I think you can learn about all of them and draw from them ideas and principles you agree with and incorporate those into your life.

But thats forming your own religion..
Taking this from Islam...
Taking this from christianity.
Taking this from hinduism....
and thne this wouldnt be a true religion becuz you deicded was kool, and do-able for a relgion, and even if you dont call it a religion it would be in itself a religion...Now i am not saying not to search for a true and real religion, and decide what is realistic, I WANT you to do that......Just not pick and choose becuz one sounds easier or something than the other....and you are a very smart gal......