redcliff

Tell that to all the women that were raped by Zeus (talking about chemical reactions...)

xenu

Many discoveries that are claimed in the Koran were infact known to others at that time or before. The Koran produced nothing new scientifically.
I want to ask you. If a scientific discovery can prove the "correctness" of the Koran then surely another scientific discovery can disprove the Koran.

Take this for example: Sura 51:49 claims that everything was created in pairs. But science today knows that there are many organisms that do not have male and female. They just reproduce asexually or by binary fission.

Ofcourse we would call you and idiot. Because you produce no scientific proof.

This does not make any sense. There is no force (let alone forces) that separates the planets.

I'm a second year medical student and I can assure you that after what we have learnt so far many of my colleagues became atheists. Look around the world. Intellectuals are leaving religion more than ever. Life is chaotic. Every possible thing can and does go wrong in life and in the world. This is not proof of God's exestence.

You should review Islamic history before you say such non-sense. Mohammed was a merchant. He traveled a lot. Got to mingle a lot with other people including jewish priests and christian teachers (one of them is Bin Abi Al Salat) Just because he was illeterate does not mean he was not knowledgeable.

Moreover there are problems in the collection of the Koran later on. This we can discuss later in another thread if you like.

in the mean time read this page:
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Quran/Contra/

Ice_Monkey

the qaran is almost as corrupt as the bible. Which interpretation of this illiterate prophet's thoughts were you referring to?

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xexon

One does not have to know how to read and write to know God.

Souls merged with the divine thousands of years before writing became a fact.

Condemn the religion, but do not speak ill of someone you never met yourself.

I have nothing but hard words for religion, but often those who inspired those words had an encounter with the divine on a personal level.

Can you measure yourself among such men?



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Ice_Monkey

Agreed, though if you're going to attempt to share it with people who will be tortured forever if you suck at it, you'd wanna be pretty good with the pen and paper, communication-wise. One of the biggest drawbacks with Christianity is that the Jesus character never bothered to write anything down himself. The most we know is that he could draw pictures in the dirt.

sure they did.

I will form my own opinion based upon what I've read, thank you very much. I've never personally met Hitler, but... 'nuff said.

And some of those were dicks, too. (although who among us doesn't want a harem of concubines, including 9 year olds?)

Yes. Easily.

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xenu

Ok, I was with an Egyptian friend in the dorms at the American University of Beirut, and we were talking about modern vs old Islam. (we both were trying to convince one of our friends.) And something interesting poped up. He said that the Koran, because it's written in Arabic, is dynamic. That is every word can have multiple meanings. In Islam, there should be no religious leaders (a sheikh is something they invented later which in Arabic means "Old Man"). The interpretation of the Koran should be something personal and this is why you can find lots of different interpretations. Even though interpretation varies, it cannot include scientific facts. If today we aggree on a scietific theory and we link it to the Koran, and tomorrow we disprove it, then what? Does that mean that their precious little Koran is false. What about the scientific absurdities in the Koran (rising and setting of the sun, creating everythign in pairs... etc)? Doesn't that constitute enough evidence to say that there is no shred of science in the Koran?

The way that this is done these days is like this: Someone hears of a scientific discovery or theory, and tries to find a verse that remotely correlates to it. Most of the time the verse is taken out of context to match their intentions (like the seven skies / heavens).

Muslims... wake up and realize that those are the signs that an entire civilization is passing into the dark ages! You are exactly 600 years behind the rest of the world so WAKE UP!

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AB517

This is all find and dandy.

Proves one thing for sure,
Religious, non-religious, atheist.

All people with the same flaws,

The number 1 flaw that bothers me,
We are better ... they are lesser.

Ice_Monkey

I think it's when guys wear their watches on the inside of their wrists, say "knock knock" when they enter a room, or still smell like their soap at 3 in the afternoon.

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