Apple Pie

All,

According to the Koran, Jesus Christ created the Universe.

Let’s look at a couple of ayahs that exemplify this Christian belief…



وقالوا اتخذ الله ولدا سبحنه بل له ما في السموت
والأرض كل له قنتون

Waqaloo itakhatha Allahu waladan subhanahu bal lahu ma fee alssamawati waal-ardi kullun lahu qanitoona

2.116 And they said: " “allah” he has taken (a) Son, glory be to Him, much more certainly His, that which (is) in the heavens and the earth, all are certainly obedient unto Him.”


Observe that the above ayah confirms that Jesus is the Son.

Further, this ayah confirms that the heavens and the earth are obedient to the Son.



And the next ayah…



بديع السموت والأرض وإذا قضى أمرا فإنما
يقول له كن فيكون

BadeeAAu alssamawati waal-ardi wa-itha qada amran fa-innama yaqoolu lahu kun fayakoonu

2.117 Originator (of) the heavens and the earth and when commanded entirely by (the) Word, so certainly only Him, He says: "Be thou." so (it) is.



2.117 confirms that the entire universe was created by ONLY the Son (i.e. the Word).

Sound familiar…?






Here is another Koranic ayah with the same message…


بديع السموت والأرض أنى يكون له ولد ولم تكن
له صحبة وخلق كل شيء وهو بكل شيء عليم

BadeeAAu alssamawati waal-ardi anna yakoonu lahu waladun walam takun lahu sahibatun wakhalaqa kulla shay-in wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemun

6.101 Originator (of) the heavens and the earth, that He has certainly been his Son, and certainly not to be his companion, and He created every thing that He will, and He on account of every thing that he will who knows.



Thus…the authors give full credit to the Son, Jesus Christ, for the creation of the Universe.

Just as stated in the Holy Bible.



So…

Why is it that Islam denies Jesus’ deity...?

Og

I don't see Jesus' name in any of that stuff you created. If you think that chrisitanity is the only myth in which there are father son references in our culture then you're mistaken.

Also, the notion that any of this is literally true and that relationships of biological father/son have some meaning to the myths is utterly false. They are metaphors, not newspaper reports.

Wake up.

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Apple Pie

We can be confident that Jesus is the Son by the following ayah...


يأهل الكتب لا تغلوا في دينكم ولا تقولوا على الله
إلا الحق إنما المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول الله
وكلمته ألقيها إلى مريم وروح منه فءامنوا بالله
ورسله ولا تقولوا ثلثة انتهوا خيرا لكم إنما الله
إله وحد سبحنه أن يكون له ولد له ما في
السموت وما في الأرض وكفى بالله وكيلا

Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

4.171 You The Book's family, certainly do not go beyond the limits in your faith, and they do not say on “allah” except The Truth (is) only the Messiah Jesus, Mary's son, “allah’s” messenger, and his Word, cast forth to her, Mary, and Spirit from him; so believe on account of “allah”, and His messengers, and certainly they say: "Three." Refrain (it is) agreeable certainly your only “allah” one god glory be to him, that He has certainly been his Son, truly his what is in the heavens and what is in the earth and He sufficed on account of “allah”, a witness.



Thus...when we see the Koran proclaiming that the Son created the Universe, we can rest assured that this was copied from the Holy Bible...

Geshtinnanna

You seem to be using some other koran version. Here is also 4:171:
Jesus was ONLY a messenger and not THE messenger. There is a big difference since Islam believes that Jesus was another prophet.

My passages are from an Islamic site. Where exactly are you getting yours from? Of course most would take it for word. I know better. Usually passages like that are misinterpreted by reader error.

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Apple Pie

Please show us the Arabic word "only"...

Further, please show us the Arabic word(s) rendered as ..."far is it removed from his transcendent majesty"...

Good luck.




No surprise here.

Since when is Islam the same as the Koran...?



From the classic Arabic.


Most never bother to study the classic Arabic...

Geshtinnanna

Well I will go do my homework and talk to my Muslim boyfriend and have him clarify what I believe is a false statement. Jesus is not the creator of the universe. This might take a while since I am currently talking to him about something else at the moment.

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Apple Pie

Take your time...

Geshtinnanna

Wait so I can't use that word but in YOUR passage YOU can use that word? Anyways I am discussing it now. I think you are translating wrong. Since you mentioned that word. Islam does not believe Jesus is THE prophet or that he created the universe. If you can send me the link for your version you are reading that would help. Or did you just translate it word for word without reading the context it is in?

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Apple Pie

Who cares what islam thinks...?

What matters is what their book of faith states...

Perhaps your boyfriend is having difficulty....yes?

Geshtinnanna

No he explained it well. You should read that section in context. The THEY in all the sentences is referring to non Muslim and then the responses start with WE which show how THEY are incorrect. You need to read it from the top to understand the context. But that's ok. It is hard to show someone they are mistaken in how they are reading a passage. So I will skip it. Have a nice day

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