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Old 09-09-2007, 10:35 AM   #31 (permalink)
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You probably unaware of what the Crusades were. I do not agree on the Jerusalem part but on what trigger it up.

By the year about 700 a.C., this area was inhabitated by, at the time, pacific Barbarians. Some were Christians, some Pagans, there were however respect for both sides and not many wars are reported from such time. Until the day from South appeared a bunch of "Allah uh Akhbar" zombies, lotting the villages, killing people just because there were a fellow on Medina who said he spoke to God.

They were finally stopped by Charles Martel and the reconquest has began. In order to get an union strong enough to deal with them however, they have to restore the long gone power of the Catholic church by Charles Magne making it as worse as Islam but Islam leave no choice either we manage to get some groups of fanatics or surrender to them.
From the East Byzantine was under the same threat.

Crusaders in their first instance simply did not allow to happen on Europe what happened to Persia. And yes, on such I'm proud of their bravery.

On the abuse part, I still don't know any war (holly or not) which had no abuse.

About your Mhein Kampf hallucination, maybe you should read that book prior to keep speaking of it. And turns out that what can be called after a Mhein Kampf prototype are the Muslim Hadeeth. Where hate against Christians and Jews in special is preached all over those cursed books.
So, under your understanding: One to say is Islam is evil is bad, but Islam carrying out books filled with hate is OK... go figure!

From the Hadeeth Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
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Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

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Old 09-09-2007, 12:20 PM   #32 (permalink)
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actually, i know what im talking about. you assume that i haven't read mein kampf, but for your information, i have. you should try to not say somthing about someone you don't know. you're only going to prove yourself wrong. i never said that muslims, or anyone else doing bad things is ok, but you are wrong to put every muslim into the same group. it's like me saying that just because there are some christians who hate non christians, that makes all of christianity evil. believe it or not, there are muslims who do good things. you are taking you're view of islam and applying it to every muslim. just because they share a religion, doesn't mean the people are the same. there are good and bad people regardless of religion, evan atheism and agnostics. you just say that all people who follow islam are bad, nevermind what things the actual person has done. you make following this specific religion a crime, and that's what makes you like hitler.

just because the books say something doesn't mean all muslims follow it. the bible says to kill witches but you don't see christians doing that anymore. just because some books and some muslims hate non muslims, doesn't mean that all muslims do. if you have to hate someone, be specific. don't be like hitler and hate an entire group. i'll believe that every muslim is the way you say they are when you say that you've met and spoken with every muslim in the world.
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Old 09-09-2007, 12:31 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Here you are again with groups of people. I aim at the culture not the people, is the culture the root of so many horrendous crimes, not the people. Therefore I do not even put Muslims as persons into any group, my target is the religion not them. When many philosophers and scientists started to attack Christianity they did not focus, chased or any way attacked Christians.

I know the concept must sound messy, but do not lead to people what I aim at Dogmas, Theology and Doctrines. Yes, people follows it, but people just follow hazardous ideologies until they find something better.

Hitler never made any distinction whether a Jew was Orthodox, Fundamentalist or not, he chased them for their Jew origin. Regardless even if they professed Judaism. He was looking for a "pure race" (whatever that means).
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:48 PM   #34 (permalink)
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For those claiming Islam implementation in West will not change their life and is just yet another harmless religion around, here's the proof of the threat I meant:

Working lunches banned - in case Muslims are offended

News article filed by BNP news team

The establishment of an Islamic state in the UK becomes a reality on an almost daily basis and another concession to Muslims come today as doctors and other health workers in Scotland have been banned from eating at their desks - in case it offends Muslims. Health bosses think that the sight of food being eaten might upset Muslims as they fast during Ramadan, and lunch trolleys have also been banned for Ramadan, which begins next month.

Staff and politicians have condemned the move, saying it was a "step too far". The new guidelines have been introduced after the car bomb attack on Glasgow Airport and the death of the driver of the burning car.

Glasgow and Lothian health staff will be given time off to pray and celebrate Eid, the end of Ramadan. However, the same health boards have said that food vending machines should be removed from areas where Muslims work and staff should not take working lunches. The measures were drawn up by Meem, which advises on Muslim issues and its clients include the Scottish Parliament. Na'eem Raza, from Neem, said he was "thrilled" that the moves had been adopted.

Health chiefs defended the measures, saying they needed to promote a "positive and tolerant culture" at work and that they had introduced a "diversity" strategy. It said many of the staff, visitors and patients will be participating in Ramadan. Will they show the same consideration to Christians who wish to celebrate Christmas? Will they be given Christmas Day off work?

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=1512
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