girlinterrupted364

so what are they supposed to do? just umm tell everyone who is muslim to um, forget about their religion. hey you there, islam, yea no more, youre messing up our part of the world sorry. i know there are some islamic radicals and thats not exactly my idea of a smart religion, plus their religion oversteps the bounds of other peoples faiths and lives (everyone remembers 9 11) but seriously, everyone is entitled to their own religion (or way of life)and saying that islam is the root of all evil, and that these peoples religion is all about hate only makes you sound mean spirited and nasty.
was the original post out to make any sort of point, or just to make islam sound bad? thats a serious question.

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I am tired, Beloved,
of chafing my heart against
the want of you;
of squeezing it into little inkdrops,
And posting it.
~Amy Lowell, "The Letter"

SirArthur

Hey! How radical! You're the kind of "either you're for me or against me"?

Islamic law is overall evil, but not the root of all evil, also I do even agree to some parts of Islam. But as a whole I hope it secularize (remove religion from government) at least.

Fighting the Islam is done by many people, on movies, books, cartoons, texts, the same way our ancestors fought Christianity on their time, since as a totalitarian system, Christianity is just another Islam. They prevailed and today we have our freedom we own it to them, it's now the time for Islam to become modern also so we can prosper together and not keep this World as the full of freedom Christian-based Westerns and some folks living on stone age filled with dogmas on Islam.

Don't you think?

EDIT: Sorry forgot to reply to your question.

There's one problem on Agnostic centers, preachers from religion always hit it trying to collect souls. As stated on many religions agenda "Agnostics are not atheists and they can convert if you convince them", so they look to Agnostics as a farm to harvest.

This thread is then to state: Do not convert to anything based on a bunch of lies made for make it look like what you want it to be and not on what it is indeed.

Geshtinnanna

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SirArthur

Gesh...something: Go put your burka.

girlinterrupted364

first off, theres no reason to be mean, i was just shocked by the intensity of your feelings towards islam and you dont know me, so dont make blanket statements. also i think every religion has some pretty rotten rules, like, i dont think its fair that in christianity, its like, if your not forgiven and accepted by god, you dont get to get into the heaven youre striving towards. so expend youre engery trying not to sin. and i understand jihad and what that means. i also think that other religions have used similar means and called it a different things (the crusades anyone). and maybe you'll say but hey that was like 700 yrs ago right? well most islamic countries are a little behind in keeping up with technology and what not and have no desire to do so. they like being traditional.

and also, not to be rude, but youre really lucking this is a forum and no one knows where you live, because if i believed in the islamic faith, i would be likely to hunt you down. i dont understand why you hate islam so bad, is this just a personal thing?

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I wish on shooting stars

I am tired, Beloved,
of chafing my heart against
the want of you;
of squeezing it into little inkdrops,
And posting it.
~Amy Lowell, "The Letter"

Geshtinnanna

First of all the burqa is worn in Afghanistan for the full body. I don't live there so I don't need to wear one. Maybe you were referring to the veil some Muslim women choose to wear. Get your facts straight.

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SirArthur

Here goes... hunt down. When a fanatic Muslim chase people down, like that director on the Netherlands is nothing, when is a common person everybody gets anger.
If one is fanatic and Muslim is OK, if one is racist and black is OK... But is this World stupid or what?!

No, it's not personal, it's reality.

EDIT: Oh! And the Crusades... anyone knowing nothing about History when wants to attack West always uses the Crusades. The Crusades were a REACTION to the Muslim aggression on Iberia, Greece and Byzantine. There are NO SAINTS on any of the sides, Muslims are as ,or even more, since they started the aggression, guilty from the Crusades as the Crusaders.

girlinterrupted364

all i meant by mentioning the crusades is that the christians called it their holy war...i didnt say that muslims didnt provoke it.

and , you know, maybe youre right, maybe muslim and islam is evil, but so what, what are you going to do about it, nuke the middle east? i think not. i guess its just part of living on planet earth. not all people are nice, getting angry and being mean back isnt going to solve anything. i dont know about you but when people directly offend my beliefs they offend me, and i tend to get nasty, not be like o gosh, youre right i was an idiot. whats the point?

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I wish on shooting stars

I am tired, Beloved,
of chafing my heart against
the want of you;
of squeezing it into little inkdrops,
And posting it.
~Amy Lowell, "The Letter"

SirArthur

War, gore will do nothing but bind them together. That's why I criticize so much War on Iraq. Is doing no good. Is aiming at the wrong targets, Americans are striking Arabs but not Islam.

The fight on Islam must not pass trough killing Arabs or being unnecessarily reckless on them, but to show them there're other ways out of Islam or even on a (really) moderate Islam - I may say like what we have a lot here now is "non practicing Catholics" (I say this people is Agnostic...), we also need "non practicing Muslims" (luckily those are also grow on numbers, but unfortunately many have to still practice to not be hunt down) - that works better and lets them live with more freedom, prosperity and equality.

BTW. I don't know if you're aware of it but a pacific demonstration on Brussels scheduled to 9/11/2007 on memory of the victims of 9/11 was forbidden because it can be consider as offensive by muslims and the city county is not able to ensure the security of the demonstrators... You can now imagine how Europe is getting in troubles with those people. You're too far from Islam, just get residual immigration of such, but we're getting as a target of mass immigration from them.

EDIT: About the Crusades, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say you're idiot. But is a subject that really pisses me off, among my family there were Crusaders and I still feel need to respect the blood they spilled on the behalf of Europe.

greywolf90

first of all, america isn't far from islam because there are many muslim people here. i bet that everyone american in this forum either knows a few muslims or has at least seen them. as for me, i knkow quite a few muslims and my boss is a muslim.

second of all, america isn't targeting islam, it's targeting a group of people who happen to be muslim extremists and are also killing other muslims. we are fighting organizations like al queada, the talliban, and the rest. NOT ISLAM. unlike you, america is tolerant of other religions which is why we have the first ammendment.

third of all, how can you hate the muslims for jihad yet respect the crusaders. when a war goes on for hundreds of years, i don't think it matters who started it. is it ok that the muslims let anyone come to jerusalem, but when the crusaders came, they killed every muslim, jew, and christian. personally i have no respect for either side, but you're saying you respect one group for their holy war, but you hate the other group that did thesame thing. so i guess killing in the name of religion is ok as long as you're european and not muslim.

p.s. written you're mein kampf yet? i know it's mean to compare you to hitler, but when i look at what hitler believed in, and i substitute "jew" for "muslim" i start to see some simularities. i don't think you're nearly as crazy as hitler, but i do think you have similar beliefs. you're angry at a specific group, you make that group to be entirely evil, and you make that group you're enemy. see the simularity yet? the main difference is that you want to argue instead of kill them. do you realize people have been arguing over religion for thousands of years? i doubt there's anything you could say that hasn't been said before.