debdodd

Salutations, new to site, hardcore insomniac so I was goggling topics, of all things,Heraclitus, late one night ... yeah I know, I have one exciting night life, but I digress, anyway... found this site and read some threads ... hmmm says I.... sounds like what I've been thinking for years but keep to myself due to the fact that my friends think I'm wild and crazy enough as is and didn't want to throw out the "I'm an agnostic" into the mix. I made the mistake of voicing my beliefs/opionion to a good friend (hard core catholic) and our friendship has never been the same. My husband is a God believer, instilled in him from breast milk on and no source of conversation in this matter. Ahhh but my son, now this is a kid in which I can have conversations of depth, it comes with the noted side bar that I have to listen to his crappy version of music at times ... hold the rap please! Okay so I'm rambling here ... back to my observations of threads read... if you are searching say so, if not quit trying to cram your rhetoric down my throat. If you cannot prove or disprove why all of the postulating? Agree to disagree, but to get so worked up and all pissy, you seem to be on the same par as the Watch Tower people who knock on my door! BTW, if you are ever really bored and I have been, invite them in and then play with their heads ... like I said before I don't have that exciting of a life .... but it was fun, in it's own twisted little way. I'm sure they prayed for me... alot ... I mean really ...a lot. Fanatics of any sort drive me nuts ... god fanatics, football fanatics, philisophical fanatics, all of 'em. Instead of cyber yelling and cussing why in the hell don't you just be .... that's it ... just be... none of us know so just be, if you are getting that worked up about it who are you really trying to convince yourself or the other person? Maybe I just don't get it .... if you believe that you don't believe and when you die you'll either find out or not, what the hell good does it do to get all worked up about it? Just a thought ....

jaej

lol. Welcome, but watch out. There are some very, very irrational people on this forum, and you simply can't talk to them in a calm, educated setting. Some even resort to name calling (coughfaithcough). Don't take it personally faith, I think it's funny, but I won't drop it for a long, long time. Anyway, welcome.

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Welcome to the Forum debdodd!

By your intro I think your going to get the convo you been lookin' for I hope!

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debdodd

it's comforting to know that not all visitors to this site are as pugnacious as the ones I read last night. Don't get me wrong a good verbal battle is great but beating my head on a rock is as futile as conversing with some.

finding like minds is what I had in mind. Talking with my son is great but hell he's only 16....what has he really experienced...loosing his cell phone, IPod not working right. He has a clever mind and all that, I just want to chat with people who have experienced real living, the true ups and downs of life and how they cope? You know .... the times when it would be nice to believe in a God, something to fall back onto in a time of weakness, to pray for strength, redemption, courage or what ever ... instead I've found myself shaking a fist towards the "heavens" saying "bring it on and don't be stingy with the jalapenos" when ever my life gets too tough. Make any sense with my ramblings? I mean how comforting would it be to know, really know that there is something after this so called "living" to look forward to. Instead we all end up the same ..dead, and unless we've done something noteworthy in our time that somehow gets written down in history, or leave something behind for which we'll be remembered, we are merely a mote of dust floating through our time here. I have tried several times to embrace a "God" and only find it lacking any substance and most of those church goers are delusional. They have callouses on their knees from so much prayer and still their life is no better than pre prayer.

Fate is so random, you can do it all right and then ... BAM ... you're a statistic of "my what a surprise that that happened to him/her" .... as a nurse I've seen all those who pray, beg and plead with God and either the line is busy or no one is home. On the flip side ... vile people who shouldn't have made it pull through and continue to be just as rotten as pre-collision with fate. If there ever was a God he turned his back on our little piece of exsistence along time ago. I've had a decent life, good things and bad things have happened and it's not because God did anything, it's because I worked at it, no divine intervention that's for damn sure. I decided a while back that like the bumper sticker says "feces happens". I realize that most of the time I am usually the maker of my own misery.

I tend to challenge all those righteous know it alls and often want to smack the smugness off their faces (not literally of course). When I do let people know I am agnostic there's this look they give you, which then makes me want to shock them even more and next thing I know ... I say or do something that makes being agnostic look like the lesser of all evils. Beware of hippies that have grown up!!

A friend recently e mailed me this .... don't be afraid that your life will end be afraid that it will never begin".

So I say to you Thanks for the sage observation of the forum and your warm welcome.

Og

Beautiful stuff Good motto.

Welcome!

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Hi debdodd, I know what you mean when you say ppl here seem to be trying to convince themselves more than anyone else.
I've been an agnostic-like for a few years now. I was never into religion before but still could have been converted.
The biggest thing that helps me deal with things is to deal with my emotions. ie recognize them when they are happening and realize what they do to my behavior. (when i realized this, it allowed me to be more rational, and the fog started lifting. thats when i stopped believing in god)
So now I'm happy, I believe in myself and others, always hope for the best, etc.
You mentioned that sometimes you wish you could fall back on a belief of god to pull you through a hard time.
I believe the hard times that people have are only hard because of the emotions involved. I consider stress as a whole bunch of low level emotions put together.
So to make things better for yourself, whenever you are stressed or under the influence of high emotions, dont worry about it, you are only feeling bad because of your emotions, and dont make any decisions, just wait for them to pass, and you will feel better about things again soon.

My motto would be "Don't be afraid of anything"

debdodd

the only thing I'm afraid of is/are those ugly hairy spiders ... yuck! other wise I haven't any fears that I'm aware of left .... my motto has always been try everything once and if it feels good do it again!