jaej

Who said anything about accident? Do you think the universe had only 'one shot' to get it right? While not much of the early stages of the universe is known, in fact, from what I've read, mathematics breaks down the closer we get to singularity, but that's besides the point. What I'm trying to say is that what you consider the theory of the big bang to be is probably just a made-up explanation to counter creationism, but in reality it is the probable explanation for evidence we have.

Sorry if I came on strong. If I'm completely wrong about you, let me know. All I know is what people at my church think and have tried to tell me, and what I've gathered from talking to fundamentalist christians. welcome

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Jehanne

Professor Victor Stenger has written extensively on this question:

http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/v...ess/Origin.pdf

Also, check out his new book (which is on the New York Times best sellers list) God: The Failed Hypothesis.

Professional Widow

Very cool! A former atheist!

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Jehanne

Actually, I am back calling myself "atheist" these days. As a side note, it should be pointed out that some agnostics are actually more "dogmatic" than atheists, in that they believe that God is both unknown and unknowable. As an atheist, I would certainly agree with the former, but not the latter. In most instances, I think that the distinction between atheists and agnostics are superficial at best.

}SoC{Sumguy

atheist?

its just as illogical to beleive that God cant exist as it is to beleive that God must exist, for neither is provable.

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jaej

Which is why she is no longer an athiest.

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lauraclay

Then in most instances people don't know what they're talking about. I'm Agnostic. I'm as much atheist as I am Daoist.

Jehanne

Problem is, of course, that no one is claiming the former (that is, God does not exist), as far as I am aware. See pages 46 to 53 of The God Delusion for more details.

Jehanne

George H. Smith, in his seminal book Atheism: The Case Against God, argues that all agnostics are, in fact, atheist. I do not, however, wish to get into that debate. Bertrand Russell, arguably one of the greatest philosophers of the 20th-century, had difficulty in separating the two terms:

Am I An Atheist Or An Agnostic?

And, one can be both:

Agnostic atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lauraclay

You can be both, if you twist the definition of an atheist and don't fulfill the definition of an agnostic.