xexon

Meditation occurs anytime you focus on something. It is perfected through practice. You must alway question the reason for meditation. What is it that you hope to gain? Worldy or spiritual motivation?

No effort in pursuit of the divine is ever wasted. The more you hack away at the wall, the more it will reveal what is behind it. Just sit in a quiet place. Cross-legged or a chair, as long as you are comfortable. The idea is to keep the spine straight.

Close your eyes. Now wait for things to happen. Won't be long.

The mind is addicted to stimulation through the senses. Given it's own way, it will repeat the process till you fall over dead. When you deprive it of sensation, the first thing it will do is manufacture something to amuse itself.

Your mind might wander to the girl you met today or the supper you eat later.

It will wander because it's looking for stimulation. Now, here comes the pacifier. You give the mind something to sit down and suck on while to you access the higher frequencies of the personal "I".

This pacifier can be a mantra, prayer beads, etc. It is repetition with a purpose. To hardwire new pathways in your brain according to a wider perception than you once had.

Once this process has completed itself, it will be a part of your nature. No effort on your behalf is required.

Meditation is a slow boat to China, but even if you don't reach for spiritual goals, it can't help but improve who you are on a worldly level as well.

Desire.

Desire is far more potent than you may first realize. You will understand why desire must be controlled first.

Desire creates. But few people have the ability to control what they create because they cannot yet define what they desire. When you're a spiritual child, you want it ALL. And you structure you life to shovel it into your mouth as fast as possible. This is the realm of a worldly person. One who cannot see beyond their 5 senses.

They are the gluttons of the world. And they will run you over if you get in their way. I-Me-Mine is their mantra.

A spiritual seeker has to look beyond themselves. They have to become their brother's keeper. And they have to do so willingly. To be enlightened is to offer a hand up to all you meet. If they accept it or turn away doesn't affect you one bit. Because you realize that everyone around you is on their own path. You help where you can.


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WilliamBlue

Welcome,

Have you read this book 'Eat, Pray, Love'? I know you said you have stopped reading, but I was unable to discern if you meant literally or figuratively?

I am going to look that book(The Path of the Masters: The Science of Surat Shabd Yoga & The Yoga of the Audible Life Stream by Julian Johnson) up and see if it makes sense to me.

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How can we be so arrogant and egotistical to believe that the whole Universe was created just for us?

xexon

Hello William,

I can't remember the last book I read.

The path of Sant Mat will be strange for most. I can only say to judge it by what is written rather than what is practiced. Like most religions or belief systems, there is human weakness within the body of it.

I've never had any contact with it other than with the master Charan Singh. He sent me a very kind letter in response to some questions I had. He passed on a short time later.

I've never taken initiation or even had contact with the modern community. I just placed the idea of what needed to be done in my minds eye and lived my life according to what I could FEEL.

Any idiot can think.

The road to realization is paved with the ability to feel.

But first, you must convince the mind that it is a servant rather than a master.

Its not just going to lay down and say "do me". But once you can present enough evidence and argument to back it up, you can convince this 800lb gorilla to stand aside and sit in the co-pilot's seat.

It will listen to reason when describing higher realms, but it will always be in pain in knowing it can never experience it, itself.

Hell, you see, is anything the mind can't figure out.


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shadowind

intresting,
i've noticed a difference between my will and my desire before.
however i doubt the existence of a metaphysical realm of existence, there are many worlds with in earth however and that has always fascinated me.

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

xexon

All of creation is an extension of a singular source.

This creation has a wide range of frequencies, which you as a human can only pick up a tiny portion of the lower stuff. Most of creation is above you, from a tuning standpoint.

There is no space or time. These are concepts which belong to the mind. They have no meaning in the higher realms. You, stay still. It is creation which presents itself to you, according to you ability to absorb it.

It is your own range of awareness that allows you to travel the celestial highway, or not.

If you can wade through the religious mythology and see the truth behind the symbolism, the world will spill it's secrets.


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GX

Thanks for the meditation tips, as far as desire, I disagree. As far as controlling desires is concerned, all that means to me is that you do not devolve your desires into needs as I explained in a previous posting. I do not wish to "control" my desires. I wish to express them. Controlling desire means resistance and repression. Expression of desires does not negate enlightenment. I would even go as far as saying controlling your desires does negate enlightenment. Desire is not the enemy, need is. There is no one path to enlightenment and it is highly unique to each individual. One must go within to discover enlightenment.

There is nothing wrong or evil with the creation of material wealth as long as you do so from a sense of love. On can be spiritual and materially well to do, they are not mutually exclusive as many claim. As far as being your brothers keeper, that is all well and good, but to do so because you feel that you need to in order to gain enlightenment is patently incorrect. If devoting most of your time to helping others is your path, that is fine. If devoting most of your time to creation of music, wealth or whatever it is you wish to create is your path, thats fine too. The main thing is whatever path you choose, make certain your interactions along that path with others are based on love.

Lanya

Hi xexon,

I have a meditation practice in nondual awakening (if you've heard of it). Some of the ideas that came up through my experiences were that:

- There is nothing beyond what is sensed, emoted, or thought.
- There isn't a "true self" that can be sensed.

I've also read about there being an "awareness" that can't be sensed, but is always there, even when not "aware" in the traditional sense. I haven't really "experienced" that myself, only read about it, and it seems contradictory with the experience-driven thoughts above.

I guess I'm just wondering what your thoughts were on these ideas, and that apparent contradiction.

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shadowind

"-nothing beyound what is sensed, emoted,or thought,
no true self that can be sensed."
so either there is no true self, or only the true self can be emoted or thought? but not sensed?

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

Lanya

I omitted "emoted or thought" assuming that emotions and thought don't detect anything. Maybe it'd be clearer to say that one's "true self" is on the level of the Flying Spaghetti Monster: whether or not it exists, it can't being detected.

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xexon

There is only one thing in existance. God. Whatever your definition of that term may be.

God is the clay that creation is made out of.

It can assume any shape or form. When you give something a shape, you have also given it an identity apart from whatever it came from. Instead of a lump of clay, we now have a bowl. Although it is still clay, the name has changed because the shape has changed.

You are God. You're made out of the same stuff but you have a different shape. You indentify with this shape yourself, believing it to be all that you are.

If like most people, you can only pay attention to shape. The underlying sameness of all things escapes you for now.

When you learn to see the clay instead of the shapes made with it, you will know what God is, and your place within it.

The individual self is seen as the temporary thing that it is. The personal "I" dies with the body. The awareness that is left behind has no sense of self in the way we do, but it will eagerly assume whatever shape it is given.

Your soul loves to play act.


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