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buzz2 · 04-24-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by greywolf90

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Read my last post. This will dispell any questions you may have about my beliefs. I do agree, GOD is love. But, the ONLY way to GOD is through JESUS CHRIST. Not by your "good deeds". If you don't acknowledge JESUS as your savior, you cannot get to Heaven. It is written.
Also, read the 10 Commandments. Adultry is a sin. Gay sex is a sin. Man should not lie down with man. If a person thinks they're gay, they must resist those urges and ask GOD to help take them away.
You can't "water down your faith" and choose which commandments to follow and which ones not to, simply because you don't like them. I choose not to "water down my faith" in GOD. Like I said,.. I believe with all my heart and soul.
As for my son, he stated with his own mouth, that he questions the existence of GOD. It is upsetting to me but, I will try to show him the way to the LORD. I won't scold or punish him. That's not my job as a parent. All I can do is to try to teach him to the best of my ability. The rest is in GOD'S hands.

welcome buzz2, i don't think he was refering to adultery, but having monogomous sex without a marriage ceremony, or having sex with a woman before you marry her (and if he was refering to adultery, my bad). considering the divorce rates these days, how is having sex with a woman before marriage any different from having sex after marriage? as for gay sex, what about gay celibacy? or have you considered that being gay or bi is not a choice, but just the way they are born? i.e. whatever hormones in our body that attract us to the oppisite gender, theirs' works in reverse. so why should they be held accountable for the way god made them? i looked at your website, and the homosexuality section evan said that a christian homosexual will rarely ever be able to become a heterosexual. why is that? could it be because they are physically unable to do so? anyways, good luck with your son, and if he doesn't come around to your side, try not to let it come between your relationship.

I will always love my kids. No matter which way they would choose to go. But, I would neverstop trying to bring them closer to the LORD.

romansh · 04-25-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

I will always love my kids. No matter which way they would choose to go. But, I would neverstop trying to bring them closer to the LORD.

OK ... this is not a fair question ... I'll ask it anyway.
Who do you love more ... your kids or God?
all the best

buzz2 · 04-25-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by romansh

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Originally Posted by buzz2

I will always love my kids. No matter which way they would choose to go. But, I would neverstop trying to bring them closer to the LORD.

OK ... this is not a fair question ... I'll ask it anyway.
Who do you love more ... your kids or God?
all the best

I will ALWAYS put GOD above all. But, I will love my boys as I love GOD. Can
you comprehend that? The commandments tell us to put GOD first.

**debdodd** · 04-25-2008, 08:12 AM

so ... as in the old testament, if God ask you to sacrifice one of your boys you would ?

buzz2 · 04-25-2008, 10:21 AM

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so ... as in the old testament, if God ask you to sacrifice one of your boys you would ?

In that context, yes I would. HE had a reason for telling him to do so. Read the whole text.

**debdodd** · 04-25-2008, 03:34 PM

I reread it .... bottom line is if you heard a voice and thought it was God talking to you telling you to kill your child ..... you would do it ......

GX · 04-26-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

Read my last post. This will dispell any questions you may have about my beliefs.

Im not questioning your beliefs, I was just trying to offer a possible explanation as to why your son thinks the way he does as you had originally asked of us.

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I do agree, GOD is love. But, the ONLY way to GOD is through JESUS CHRIST. Not by your "good deeds". If you don't acknowledge JESUS as your savior, you cannot get to Heaven. It is written.
Also, read the 10 Commandments. Adultry is a sin. Gay sex is a sin. Man should not lie down with man. If a person thinks they're gay, they must resist those urges and ask GOD to help take them away.
You can't "water down your faith" and choose which commandments to follow and which ones not to, simply because you don't like them. I choose not to "water down my faith" in GOD. Like I said,.. I believe with all my heart and soul.

This is exactly why I am no longer a christian in the traditional sense. This is just a bunch of weird rules and crap that people extrapolated from some ancient writings that were most likely altered and mistranslated that make no sense whatsoever. I dont care "what was written" and do not base my knowledge on the ultimate truth and God for the sole fact that "it was written" over 2000 years ago. How does "it was written" make it true? The God that saved you in your truck IMO is not the God you described above. What if you were an Asian non-religious trucker in China and this happened to you? You would have gone to a buddhist temple and proclaimed that as the truth about God. Same thing if you were an Arab trucker is Saudi Arabia; you would have gone to an Islamic mosque and proclaimed that as the truth.

Im not questioning what happened to you in that truck as I also believe in God. Im only questioning the belief conclusions that you assigned to God later on which, in my example above, would be vastly different depending on which part of the world you were born in. This is what others have been trying to question you about earlier. How do you know that the God that saved you in that truck can be described as your particular church describes him and if that description is the ultimate truth? Because "it is written"? Buddhist texts were also "written" as were Islamic scriptures. I applaud you on your spiritual quest but highly recommend an open mind.

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As for my son, he stated with his own mouth, that he questions the existence of GOD. It is upsetting to me but, I will try to show him the way to the LORD. I won't scold or punish him. That's not my job as a parent. All I can do is to try to teach him to the best of my ability. The rest is in GOD'S hands

Have you asked him specifically why he questions the existence of God? What is his answer? My advice to you would be to drop the religious explanations of God and appeal to his intellect by reading up and offering scientific (near death experiences etc.) explanations for his existence.
Here is a good website on near death experiences:
www.near-death.com

At this point he has 4 possible directions that he seems to be going:
1) Atheism (the worst possible choice IMO because some of them can be just as annoyingly self righteous as fundamentalist christians)
2) Agnosticism (Ive come to learn there are many degrees and "flavors" of agnosticism)
3) an alternative religious theology (buddhism etc.)
4) a non-religious open minded based belief in God some have called "the new spirituality" (the path I am currently taking)