Wulfric

Welcome to the forum!

(I'm sorry you didn't get the civil reception I did )

Requiem

First of all Logos, let me welcome you, I've read your posts and threads and I can see that you're learned and intelligent, and I respect that in these forums.

Second, to Vinterland, I've followed some of your posts as well, and I can see that you believe yourself to be very knowing and wise. This wrongly placed self assurance reeks off of you in a horrible figurative stench. You're rude and condescending, you have no grasp of a proper philosophical argument, and you resort to crude forms of debate which most intelligent mature people move out of by their teens. One reason you might act this way is that you are some ignorant child who is under the impression they know something about anything discussed on these forums, in which case I forgive you for your blatant idiocy.

A second reason you may act this way is that you simply lack the intellect to form a reasonable argument and so instead resort to trivial insults that in no way improves anyone’s position, except maybe in your case, where it decreases the respect anyone might have had for you or your opinions. So instead of wasting time throwing out illogical, fallacious statements, invest the time in actually learning something.

As to your comments to Geshtinnanna, whom I respect greatly, I know it’s difficult to comprehend, but the universe does not revolve around you, and not always is someone talking about you when referring to an arrogant, unreasonable individual, though I can see where you would get confused on this, as that description so easily fits you.

I hope you can find your way out of the small minded existence you seem to live in and join in on intelligent, serious, philosophical debate.

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"He who has a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

"I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
- Sir Winston Churchill

Skepticologist

As I was reading your post, I was reminded of the quote from the old testament that goes something like "Out of the mouth of babes...", make that junior members.

I'd thought it was just me who had difficulty in gleaning even a morsel of sense from Vinterland's posts. I consider myself relatively intelligent, but I'd begun doubting my intellectual capabilities because I just couldn't follow his logic. Finally, it dawned on me that the reason I couldn't follow his logic was that he's completely devoid of logic. Consequently, I came to the point where I simply ignored his diatribes.

In summary, I recognize and admire your prescience, and I look forward to more of your posts. Just don't waste much of your time trying to appeal to Vinterland and his ilk through logic.

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"I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of."

Clarence Darrow

Requiem

Thanks Skep, I've read some of your posts too and I have respect for you as well, but trust me, these will be my last remarks to Vinter (pertaining to this subject matter), I've met people like him in the past, and there is no convincing them with reason, logic or any other form of sensible argument.

He is deeply entrenched in his own beliefs and must find his way out one day for himself if he’s ever to escape the hole he’s dug himself into, though I will converse with him on threads because he has the ability to open his mind and I'd like to help him along, for what is the purpose of these forums if not to seek knowledge? And with more people on the journey, the more precise conclusions we can hope to obtain. Though true knowledge, it is true, may forever elude us.

And to Vinter, one last time, I’ve read in a previous post by you that you are 15, this is a young age though I hold no bias against you for it, except when you act as immaturely as you have been. Young-aged people have every capability to think just as deeply as more middle or later- aged people. Thanks for listening, and try to take the advice.

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"He who has a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

"I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
- Sir Winston Churchill

Vinterland

Regardless of my previous rude and childish behaviour I continue to mature and I am not so puerile as to type four paragraphs of invalid assertions, insults, and psuedo-psychoanalytical nonsense to someone I am angry with.

I accept the possibility that I am 'deeply entrenched in my own beliefs', but I certainly don't feel that way considering I am not only an agnostic-theist, but an agnostic atheist at diff times in order to see issues from diff perspectives. And not only in theology related issues, but many others. So, if you care to show how deeply entrenched and incorrect my logic is go ahead and I will listen, maybe not post because I cannot take any of your equally condescending, rude, and immature "advice" until you elaborate. In any case, Good day.

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And on we walked. Suddenly we heard a voice crying, "This is the sea. This is the deep sea. This is the vast and mighty sea." And when we reached the voice it was a man whose back was turned to the sea, and at his ear he held a shell, listening to its murmur.
And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.”

marmalade

Hello Logos!

Welcome aboard. Having fun yet?

Requiem

So you're basically saying that your beliefs are liable to change on any one post in order to get "diff perspectives" (by the way, knocking 5 letters off word makes you lazy and ignorant), can you not view different perspectives and keep the same ideals you would normally have, or is this too much of a stretch for you?

My advice as well, while being condescending, is also meant well, and not by any means rude, by the standards you seem to uphold anyway, and is in no way immature. It is intellectual criticism of your style of "Debate" if you can even call it that.

Firstly, stick to vocabulary you know, sitting with a dictionary in front of you does not make you sound intelligent, only desperate to sound intelligent. Secondly, the numbers of paragraphs I write serve to enhance my point and reasons for that point, instead of arbitrary sentences with no evidence to back them up. Thirdly, I am not angry with you, just annoyed that you can’t seem to grasp simple concepts, but try to present yourself as someone who actually knows what they are talking about, yet in reality have no idea what’s going on.

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"He who has a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

"I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
- Sir Winston Churchill

Thestevedawg

hai.

Skepticologist

It's hard to imagine your being entrenched in any beliefs since you have such a poor command of the definition of terms. There is no much thing as an "agnostic-thiest" nor an "agnostic atheist". Both are contradictions in terms, sort of like a christian who doesn't believe in god.

I suggest you take a stab at figuring out what you really are, unless you're still holding out the possibility of being so advanced in your thinking that none of the conventional definitions could possibly fit. I'd be more than a little surprised if you've developed a totally unique philosophy after those already in existence have taken thousands of years to form.

Don't be concerned that identifying yourself as an atheist or agnostic locks you in for life. As a former bible-thumper who is currently an agnostic, I'm living proof that your thinking can evolve while still maintaining your integrity. In fact, most of us who are members of this forum go by vastly different labels thaa we did five or ten years ago.

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"I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of."

Clarence Darrow

Vinterland

You didn't aven answer my question as you were too busy writing huge paragraphs of isnults to notice and I think this demonstrates that this is a case in which someone accuses someone of adultery/facism/general ass-hatery, etc, but the reality is the accuser is the 'gulity' party, often to the extreme. I felt pity for you, but now I understand that this kind of bashing is something you would wither and die without.
See my post in what is agnostic subforum.
Then you and I are the same in that respect. I've been a theist, deist, pantheist, and atheist. I'm not concerned at all with choosing a philisophy and sticking with it.

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And on we walked. Suddenly we heard a voice crying, "This is the sea. This is the deep sea. This is the vast and mighty sea." And when we reached the voice it was a man whose back was turned to the sea, and at his ear he held a shell, listening to its murmur.
And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.”