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Old 09-10-2007, 11:35 AM   #421 (permalink)
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ISLAMIC TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA--2



The September 11, 2001 attacks (often referred to as 9/11—pronounced "nine eleven") consisted of a series of coordinated terrorist suicide attacks by Islamic terrorists on that date upon the United States of America.

That morning nineteen terrorists affiliated with al-Qaeda hijacked four commercial passenger jet airliners. Each team of hijackers included a trained pilot.

The hijackers intentionally crashed two of the airliners (United Airlines Flight 175 and American Airlines Flight 11) into the World Trade Center in New York City, one plane into each tower (1 WTC and 2 WTC), resulting in the collapse of both buildings soon afterward and irreparable damage to nearby buildings.

The hijackers crashed a third airliner (American Airlines Flight 77) into the Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia, near Washington, D.C.

Passengers and members of the flight crew on the fourth aircraft (United Airlines Flight 93) attempted to retake control of their plane from the hijackers; that plane crashed into a field near the town of Shanksville in rural Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

In addition to the 19 hijackers, 2,974 people died as an immediate result of the attacks, and the death of at least one person from lung disease was ruled by a medical examiner to be a result of exposure to WTC dust.Another 24 people are missing and presumed dead. The victims were predominantly civilians.

In a videotape aired on Al Jazeera, on October 30, 2004, Osama bin Laden said he had personally directed the 19 hijackers. Another video obtained by Al Jazeera in September 2006 shows Osama bin Laden with Ramzi Binalshibh, as well as two hijackers, Hamza al-Ghamdi and Wail al-Shehri, as they make preparations for the attacks.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:27 AM   #422 (permalink)
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Niranjan, there's no actual discussion happenning here, all you do is post, dont you think it will be a little more healthy if you'd invite people to discuss on this topic ?

- Vamsi, Hyderabad, India.
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Niranjan, there's no actual discussion happenning here, all you do is post, dont you think it will be a little more healthy if you'd invite people to discuss on this topic ?

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Old 11-27-2007, 12:10 AM   #424 (permalink)
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Niranjan, there's no actual discussion happenning here, all you do is post, dont you think it will be a little more healthy if you'd invite people to discuss on this topic ?

- Vamsi, Hyderabad, India.
Well, I did discuss and answered queries from others on the superconscious state. And you can see in the beginning , others have indeed engaged me in debate . I don't see any need to invite people, as many have engaged me, without any invitation, and I enjoyed debating with them. Anyone can follow suit.

And sorry about the bomb blasts by islamic terrorists in Hyderabad , that killed forty people ,including many women and children, during the Vinayaka festival. Hope u have not lost anyone close to you.
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ON VIVEKANANDA.





He is undoubtedly the greatest figure in the Parliament of Religions. After hearing him we feel how foolish it is to send missionaries to this learned nation.

---- The New York Herald.




A striking figure, clad in yellow and orange, shining like the sun of India in the midst of the heavy atmosphere of Chicago, a lion head, piercing eyes, mobile lips, movements swift and abrupt - such was my first impression of Swami Vivekananda , as I met him in one of the rooms set apart for the use of the delegates to the Parliament of Religion.

Enraptured , the huge multitude hung upon his words; not a syllable must be lost, not a cadence missed! " That man a heathen ! " said one, as he came out of the great hall, " and we send missionaries to his people! It would be more fitting that they send missionaries to us."

--Dr. Annie Besant.




In his deep voice, he began, 'Sisters and Brothers of America ' -- and the entire audience , many hundred people, clapped and cheered wildly for two minutes....No doubt the vast majority of those present hardly knew why they had been so powerfully moved. The appearance, even the voice, of Vivekananda cannot fully explain it. A large gathering has its own strange kind of subconscious telepathy, and this one must have been somehow aware that it was in the presence of that most unusual of beings, a man whose words express exactly what he is. When Vivekananda said, 'Sisters and Brothers ' he actually meant that he regarded the American women and men before him as sisters and brothers ; the well-known orational phrase became simple truth.

----Christopher Isherwood






"To ask you, Swami, for your credentials is like asking the sun about its right to shine."

----Professor John Henry Wright of Harvard University





Vivekananda's address before the Parliament was broad as the heaven above us, embracing the best in all religions, as the ultimate universal religion-- charity to all mankind and good works for the love of God, not for fear of punishment or hope of reward. He is a great favourite of the Parliament....If he merely crosses the platform he is applauded........ At the Parliament of Religions they used to keep Vivekananda until the end of the programme to make people stay till the end of the session......The four thousand fanning people in the Hall of Columbus would sit smiling and expectant waiting for an hour or two to listen to Vivekananda for fifteen minutes.The Chairman knew the old rule of keeping the best until the last.

---Boston Evening Transcript





The paragon of all Unity systems is the Vedanta philosophy of India , and the paragon of Vedantist missionaries was the late Swami Vivekananda who visited our land some years ago.I have just been reading some of Vivekananda's address in England ,which I had not seen. The man is simply a wonder for oratorical power... the Swami is an honor to humanity.

---- William James, ( Harvard professor, philosopher,psychologist and author.)





Aurobindo , the greatest Indian philosopher of the 20th century :


The going forth of Vivekananda as the heroic soul destined to take the world between his two hands and change it was the first visible sign that India was awake.

---Aurobindo






Vivekananda was a soul of puissance if ever there was one, a very lion among men, but the definitive work he has left behind is quite incommensurate with our impression of his creative might and energy. We perceive his influence still working gigantically, we know not well how, we know not well where, in something that is not yet formed, something leonine, grand, intuitive, upheaving that has entered the soul of India and we say, "Behold, Vivekananda still lives in the soul of his Mother and in the souls of her children.

--Sri Aurobindo--1915 in Vedic Magazine.







Romain Rolland, the French savant,novelist, essayist and Nobel Prize winner :


Vivekananda's words are great music, phrases in the style of Beethoven, stirring rhythms like the march of Handel Choruses. The present leaders of India: Gandhi , Aurobindo, and Tagore, have grown, flowered, and born fruit under the double constellation of the Swan ( Ramakrishna) and the Eagle( Vivekananda) -- a fact publicly acknowledged by Gandhi and Aurobindo.

--- Romain Rolland




I cannot touch these sayings of his, scattered as they are through the pages of this book at thirty years' distance, without receiving a thrill through my body like an electric shock. And what shock, what transport, must have been produced when, in burning words, they issued from the lips of the hero!

--- Romain Rolland





"Swami Vivekananda's writings need no introduction from anybody. They make their own irresistible appeal."

---Mahatma Gandhi



I have gone through his works very carefully, and after having gone through them, the love that I had for my country became a thousand-fold.

---Mahatma Gandhi






I cannot write about Vivekananda without going into raptures. Few indeed could comprehend or fathom him even among those who had the privilege of becoming intimate with him. His personality was rich, profound and complex... Reckless in his sacrifice, unceasing in his activity, boundless in his love, profound and versatile in his wisdom, exuberant in his emotions, merciless in his attacks but yet simple as a child, he was a rare personality in this world of ours. I can go for hours and yet fail to do the slightest justice to that great man . He was so great, so profound , so complex. He was a Yogi of the highest spiritual level in direct communion with the truth , who consecrated his whole life to the moral and spiritual uplift of humanity.

---Subhash Chandra Bose (architect along with Gandhi of India's freedom movement).









The qualities I most admire in Vivekananda are his activity,manliness and courage ... He spoke up and acted. For this, all must honor him , who, whatever be their own religious beliefs , value sincerity, truth and courage, which are the badges of every noble character.

---Sir John Woodroffe.




If you want to know India, study Vivekananda. In him everything is positive and nothing negative.

---Rabindranath Tagore, Nobel prize winner, philosopher, composer, novelist.




Swami Vivekananda will be remembered as one of the most significant figures in the whole history of Indian religion, comparable in importance to such great teachers as Shankara and Ramanuja.Since the days of the Indian missionaries who travelled in south-east Asia and China preaching Buddhism and Hinduism more than a thousand years earlier, he was the first Indian religious teacher to make such an impression outside India.

---Arthur Llewellyn Basham




Where can you find a man like him ? Study what he wrote, and learn from his teachings, for if you do , you will gain immense strength. Take advantage of the fountain of wisdom,of Spirit , and of fire that flowed through Vivekananda!

--- Jawaharlal Nehru





Men like Sri Ramakrishna, men like Swami Vivekananda and men like Mahatma Gandhi are great unifying forces , great constructive geniuses of the world not only in regard to the particular teachings that they taught, but their approach to the world and their conscious and unconscious influence on it is vitally important to us.

---- Jawaharlal Nehru ( first Indian prime minister and co-founder of the non-aligned movement)





A great yogi, a spiritual teacher,a religious leader,a writer, an orator and , above all, the most selfless worker for humanity---that was Swami Vivekananda. I had the honor of living with this great Swami in India, in England, and in America. I lived and travelled with day after day and night after night and watched his character for nearly twenty years, and I stand here to assure you that I have not found another like him in these three continents. As a man ,his character was pure and spotless ; as a philosopher , he was the greatest of all Eastern and Western philosophers .In him I found the ideal of Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Raja Yoga and Jnana Yoga ; he was like the living example of Vedanta in all its living branches.

---Swami Abhedananda





" It may be said that when he began to speak it was of 'the religious ideas of the Hindus' ,but when he ended ,Hinduism had been created. "
---Margaret Noble





The truths he preaches would have been as true,had he never been born. Nay more, they would have been equally authentic.The difference would have lain in their difficulty of access , in their want of modern clearness and incisiveness of statement, and in their loss of modern coherence and unity.Had he not lived,texts that today will carry the bread of life to thousands might have remained the obscure disputes of scholars.He taught with authority , and not as one of the Pundits. For he himself had plunged to the depths of the realisation which he preached , and he came back like Ramanuja only to tell its secrets to the pariah, the outcast and the foreigner.

---Margaret Noble




Even now, a hundred years after the birth of Swami Vivekananda, it is very difficult to evauate his importance in the scale of world history. It is certainly far greater than any Western historian or most Indian historians would have suggested at the time of his death. The passing of the years and the many stupendous and unexpected events which have occurred since then suggests that in centuries to come he will be remembered as one of the main moulders of the modern world, especially as far as Asia is concerned, and as one of the most significant figures in the whole history of Indian religion...

--- Arthur Llewellyn Basham.

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( wikipedia )

Vivekananda left a body of philosophical works (see Vivekananda's complete works) which Vedic scholar Frank Parlato has called, "the greatest comprehensive work in philosophy ever published."


One of the very greatest historical figures that India has ever produced.

--- Christopher Isherwood




'Narendra(Vivekananda) belongs to a very high plane — the realm of the Absolute. He has a manly nature. So many devotees come here, but there is no one like him.

--Sri Ramakrishna




He ( Vivekananda) has eighteen extraordinary powers, one or two of which is sufficient to make a man famous in the world.


--Sri Ramakrishna.



"Behold! Here is Naren (Vivekananda). See! See! Oh what power of insight he has! It is like the shoreless sea of radiant knowledge ! The Mother , Mahamaya Herself ,cannot approach within ten feet of him ! She is barred by the very glory which She has imparted to him !"

--Sri Ramakrishna



“Narendra (Swami Vivekananda) will teach others ….. Very soon he will shake the world by his intellectual and spiritual powers.”

---Sri Ramakrishna
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Huh so what your saying is that these religious folk from Jesus to Mohammed are the result of attaining this superconscious state and couldn't handle it? They fell from this state with a series of concepts they themselves invented or "saw". There is no way they ever could have "seen" these types of things. A Superconscious State does what then exactly? What can I get out of the Superconcious state that I can't do on my own without entering this kind of state? I get a nice coast, feel the inner peace I get from looking out across the ocean, find a decent woman that treats me well as I treat her, read and write my books and consider the aspects of physical reality that interest me... I don't see what this Superconscious state does.

While all of us have the same basic physical characteristics but not the same "gifts" I still can't see how anyone can call another person delusional if in this state they saw something different from another. While I agree the results of their "visions" have resulted in incalcuable death and destruction not just physically but mentally as well... it seems one man in your examples can be better than another. I am hoping I am understanding your posts correctly.
YES, that is It!
They filtered it.
They just didn’t understand this notion.

It does nothing.
Just because you can’t run a 4.40 forty doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You filter it the best way you can and live. Super concourse is like being supper fast, it is part genetics and part practice. I can never be super fast no matter how hard I try … sorry to say … that’s it.

Religion does not kill. Men kill other men, I hope you realize this.
They use religion as a tool to get the killing going, but it is not the spiritual teachings.

I like this swammy guy, he seems to know something.
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