wais shirzai

Will you not then believe in the Holy Qur'an?’ The Qur'an says in Surah Sajda, Ch. No. 32, Verse No 9… ‘We have given the human beings the faculty of hearing and sight’. It is repeated in Surah Insaan, Ch. No. 76, Verse No 2… ‘We have given the faculty of hearing and sight, to the human being’. Today we have come to know the first sense to develop, is the sense of hearing - Qur'an says… ‘First hearing then sight’. By the fifth month of pregnancy It is complete - the ear, later on in the seventh month of pregnancy, the eye split is open. Imagine Qur'an gives the order - first comes hearing, then comes sight. Professor Durgarao, who is an expert in the field of ‘Marine Geology’ who is teaching in the university of King Abdul Aziz in Jeddah, he was asked to give his comments on a verse of the Holy Qur'an. From Surah Nur, Ch. No. 24, Verse No. 40, which says that… ‘The state of the unbeliever is like the depth of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with waves topped with waves, topped with dark clouds, the depths of darkness, one layered over the other. When a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it, Allah gives light to whom He wishes. If He does not give light you cannot see’. Professor Durgarao, he said that… ‘This verse of the Holy Qur'an is not speaking about a normal sea – It is speaking about a deep sea. And today, only with the help of things like submarines, we have come to know the depths of the oceans - It is dark. Previously, we did not know that, because a man cannot go unaided, more than 20 to 30 metres under water - And if he goes more than 200 metres unaided, he dies. It is today, we have come to know, by the instruments that we have, that the depths of ocean is dark’. And he said… ‘This darkness is due to two phenomena - first is due to successive absorption of the colours in layers’. As we all know, the light has got Seven colours - And we learnt in school for remembering easy: VIBGYOR, the colours of the rainbow. Vibgyor - V for violet, I for Indigo, B for blue, G for Green, Y for Yellow, O for Orange, and Red… R for Red – Vibgyor… Seven colours. Professor Durgarao said, that ‘When the light enters the ocean - by the first 15 to 20 meters, the Red colour is absorbed’. And if a man goes under water about 30 meters deep, and if he bleeds, if he has a wound, he will not be able to see his own blood - because Red colour does not reach there. Later on, 30 to 50 metres absorbs Orange. Yellow is absorbed by next 50 to 100 metres, green by 100 to 200 metres, and blue beyond 200 metres, and violet and indigo much above 200 metres. Therefore, the layers of darkness you see in the ocean, is due to the absorption of light in successive layers’. ‘The second reason for these layers’, Professor Durgarao said… ‘is due to barriers, like the clouds’. When the sunlight hits is the cloud, the cloud absorbs the light - therefore there is darkness below the cloud, then the light is scattered. After getting scattered, it hits is at the superficial waves of the ocean. This is the second barrier, the waves reflect the light further, the superficial waves of the ocean. Those light rays which are not reflected, they enter the ocean. Therefore, you have two types of layers in the ocean: ‘the superficial layer and the deep layer’. The superficial layer is warm and lit up, the deep layers, they are dark. And this superficial and deep layer of the ocean - it is divided by internal waves. We human beings did not know, that even there were internal waves - We only knew of superficial waves. It was only in 1900, that we have come to know that there are even waves deep in the water. They are known as internal waves, which divide the superficial part of the ocean and the deep part of the ocean. Imagine the Qur'an mentions that… ‘the unbelievers' state is like the depth of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with waves topped with waves’. That means - deep waves are there, internal waves are there, topped with superficial waves. And it further continues… ‘topped with dark clouds’. The clouds are the barriers, and even the clouds are in layers. And when a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it. ‘Only if Allah gives light, can they see’. Even the fish that swim in the deep part of the ocean, they cannot see unless they have their own light with them. They have their own lights with them. Even the submarine that goes underwater, it carries its own light, otherwise they cannot see underwater. So when Professor Durgarao was asked, how come this is mentioned in the Qur'an 1400 years ago, he said – ‘It is impossible for any human being to mention this verse - This Qur'an has to be a Divine Revelation’.

wais shirzai

The Holy Qur'an says in Surah Qiyamah, Ch. No. 75, Verse No. 3 and 4… ‘The unbelievers ask, that how will Allah (SWT) be able to reassemble our bones’. Allah says… ‘We can not only reassemble the bones, We can even reconstruct in perfect order the very finger tips’. When the unbelievers say… ‘After we are buried, after our bones have got disintegrated, how will Allah (SWT) on the day of judgment, reassemble our bones’. So Allah says… ‘He will not only be able to reassemble the bones, He can even reconstruct your very fingertip in perfect order’. It is referring to the finger printing method, which was discovered by Sir Francis Gold in 1880, and he said that - ‘No two finger prints, of two individuals are equal even in a million people’. No wonder the police, the CID, the CIA, the FBI - they use the finger printing method to identify the culprit. Qur'an speaks about that 1400 years ago… ‘Allah can not only reassemble the bones, he can even reconstruct in perfect order the very finger tips’. Allah (SWT) is asking you in Surah Nisa, Ch. No. 4 Verse 82… (Arabic)… ‘Do not you consider the Qur'an with care? – Do not you ponder over the Qur'an with care? that if it had been from any one besides Allah, there would have been many contradiction - there would have been many discrepancies’. Qur'an is giving you a challenge - Here is the Holy Qur'an, try and take out a single discrepancy - try and take out a single fault in the Holy Qur'an. It is giving you a challenge, an open challenge…. ‘Why don't you analyze the Qur'an with care - had it been from anyone besides Allah, there would have been many contradictions’. I would like to end my talk by giving the example of Professor Tagata Tagashon. Previously, the doctors they thought that only the brain was responsible for feeling of pain. It is now we have come to know that there are certain receptors in the skin, called as ‘pain receptors’, which are also responsible of feeling of pain. No wonder when a patient of burn injury comes to a doctor, he takes a pin and he pricks it in that area. If the patient feels pain, doctor is very happy - It means It is a superficial burn, the pain receptors are intact. If he does not feel pain, It is a deep burn, the pain receptors have been destroyed. The Qur'an says in Surah Nisa, Ch. No. 4, Verse No. 56, ‘As to those who reject our signs, We shall cast them into the hell fire, and as often as their skins are roasted, We shall give them fresh skins, so that they shall feel the pain’. Qur'an says… ‘If your skin is roasted, We shall give you fresh skin, so that you'll feel the pain’. Giving an indication… there is something in the skin which is responsible for the feeling of pain – Indication is the pain receptor. When Professor Tagada Tagashon, who is the head of the department of Anatomy, in Shangma University in Thailand - he was given the translation of this verse. And he has spent a lot of time in doing research on pain receptors, he said… ‘It is impossible that Qur'an can mention this. We discovered it recently – How is it possible?’ - He did not agree with it. Later on, after checking with the Holy Qur'an, after verifying the Holy Qur'an, he was so impressed, that in the 8th Medical Saudi Conference, in Riyadh in the Conference, he said the Shahadah … ‘La Ilaha Il Allah, Muhammadur Rasulallah’. ‘There is no God but Allah, and Prophet Muhammed is the messenger of Allah (SWT)’. Wa Aakhirudawana Anil Hamdulillahi Rabbil Alameen. In right path is he/sh who got the Truth and believe in Allah(s.w.t) and his Messenger Prophet Muhammed(p.u.h).thank you this was the clear truth you can't be against it because the Scientist accept this truth Og you try every kind of logic you will not prove the Glorious Qur'an the false. CHECK THE FULL TOPIC FROM PAGE NUMBER 11 UPTO 12 Thank You

sisterX

Niranjan I decided to ignore your posts a while ago, they are just full of hate and propaganda.
But check out http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics. It will give you the worlds crime statistics IN PERCENTAGES not actual number of crimes committed, that would be silly right?

By the way the discussion is not Saudi Arabian culture. The fact that women cannot drive there has nothing to do with Islam.
I am a muslim woman and I drive, there is nothing in my religion that stops me from doing so. Oh, and I dont share my husband with three other women and there is nothing in Islam that says I should.

In conclusion, you are chatting crap.

OG

S.S. Obhi and P. Haggard (American Scientist 2004 92:358):
"Considering all the existing data, the brain is apparently going full speed ahead well before a person experiences the conscious intention of moving. Consequently, no role appears for conscious processes in the control of action -- or so it might seem. Although research casts doubt on whether conscious processes cause actions, the data remain consistent with the idea that conscious processes could still exert some effect over actions by modifying the brain processes already under way. The fact that conscious awareness of intention precedes movement by a few hundred milliseconds means that a person could still inhibit certain actions from being made.(1-5)"

The idea that we have free will came under attack with the development of materialistic models of the universe.

I believe the future is predetermined (for different reasons to you!) but this predetermination does not imply predictability.
Therefore the fact that there isn't 100% certainty and predictability in nature pretty much kills off the idea of 'determinism'.

The brain is just a physical mass and part of the 'illusion' in my opinion. But the soul is a non-material entity that exists independently of us and interacts with our material brain. Hence it is the soul that will be held to account.

Deb, I recently read a statement on this forum which said about muslims "they want to kill us or convert us". Is this mentallity not enough cause for us to be concerned about the perceptions non-muslims have of the muslim world?
I believe it is the role of ALL muslims to clear away these kinds of misconceptions.
Our main aim for "educating" non-muslims about our religion is based on the fact that these misconceptions have become detrimental to world peace.

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"But as for me (I believe) that He is Allah, my Lord, and I shall associate none as partner with my Lord." Surah Al-Kahf verse 38. Holy Quran

wais shirzai

Peace be on all of you I apolagize again if my Preaching hurt the feelings of My brothers/sisters the intention of My preaching is not to hurt your feelings but it is just my duty which i got from The Noble Qur'an from the Last Messege of Allah(s.w.t) Almight God.I know the feelings of my some Brothers hurt because of Presenting the mistakes in the Bible and the true signs of the Glorious Qur'an regarding to Science.. So what is so good you,your self rejecting the Truth don't be in the wrong way with your own hand this is our love with you people we don't want you people to go to Hell wants you to get the Prize of Paradise it is our intention not forcing you people to Revert to ISLAM we are giving Options we are the People who wants to remove your Missconceptions i say from the heart that WE LOVE YOU believe me the LOVE we have with you people you can't get the Limite. I am 15 male from Afghanistan Living in Peshawar Pakistan now if you are coming to Peshawar don't have any place to stay most welcome you pm me i will give you the Complete address to come and Enjoy with us. We LOVE to meet you People face to face as i have Large number of non muslims friends here they have never become Upset from us why because we are Practiceing ISLAM and Inshallah one day they will get the true path INSHALLAH. As Allah(s.w.t) Says that Be kind and preach them Beautiful we have to Love with you people we have to be kind....Sorry for the Previous Topics if that Hurts your feelings Brothers/Sisters I apolagize from you people Forgive me.thank you asalam alakom peace be on you

sisterX

Oh, you are only 15? How sweet. I hope you dont lose this love you have for humanity as you grow older.

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debdodd

Hey Sis!
I think that it is what some non Muslim think. I personally don't believe that Muslims want to kill me. I do believe that they want to share the words of Allah/God with nonbelievers. If you look at the big picture tho', one could say that white supremacist want to kill all non whites, and on and on you get the picture. I think that what has merit is people just getting to know other people without religion being the base of the exchange with one another. Kind of like we did ... we found out we are the same ... two Mom's that love their kids, worry about the state of affairs in the world, just the things that go along with living in the modern world.

How about this thought instead of "I believe it is the role of ALL Muslims to clear away these kinds of misconceptions" how about "I believe it is the role of ALL non-Muslims to clear away any "statement on this forum which said about Muslims "they want to kill us or convert us" and promote the conception that each Muslim is an individual, not the sum of a radical Muslim's belief's. When Americans try and defend themselves (Americans) in the Muslim world don't you think they (Americans) get the same reaction .... one of disbelief and throwing us all into a lump of humanity "those Americans" like it something foul in their mouth. That Muslims feel that they are getting a "bad rap" how is that any different than what we (Americans) get?

"Is this mentality not enough cause for us to be concerned about the perceptions non-Muslims have of the Muslim world?"
What do you think about the preconceptions that Americans have that we are hated all over the world for politics we have had no hand in? It's kind of two sides of the same coin. I think the haters of the world want us to be paranoid and suspicious of each other, be it Jew,Christan, Muslim, believer or non believer. The "haters" can stir up all this hatred and say "see how trigger happy those crazy, bible toting Americans are"? and then out of the other side of their mouth they can say "under every burka is a potential bomb" ... it's all about intolerance and not wanting to understand one another, the thinking that one individual's path in life is the only way for everyone to live is narrow minded. As long as that person is a contributing member of society what does it matter what is in their "heart of hearts"? Anyone's relationship with God, does not mean the person lives, a for lack of a better word .. an "un-Godly" life. One's relationship with one's "God" is between them and no one need interfere with it ... it's between them and "God" at the end of their existence (or not, in the case of non-believers) ....

I don't understand why people spend so much time on if there is or isn't a God when there are so many more, and in my opinion only, more important causes to work on? The whole "feeding them "God" and food at the same time in 3rd world countries is, once again, in my opinion, idiotic. I mean if that person's kid is starving and the only way the parent can feed that kid is to show an interest in what ever religion is sponsoring the food drop ... big deal ... God wouldn't care if you were Presbyterian, Baptist, catholic, Jew or Muslim ... the end result is that you believed .... I would think that by that point in the person's life they would think God had abandoned them .... and any religion providing food would look like the "right one" ... I dunno .... what 'cha think? Deb

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"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

debdodd

Oh Was! I too didn't know you were 15 years old. No bad feelings here, no need for forgiveness ... great that you want to share but yeah, at times a little heavy on the "word" but no worries.

Okay, I'll send my 16 year old son to Pakistan ... when do you want him? Believe me he would be on the next plane. He is trying to learn Arabic so that he can work in the Middle East .. he loves the culture .... you may have to learn how to make him pizza, since that is about the only food he eats He says Switzerland makes the best pizza ... go figure! We too, always have room for another eager young mind in our home ..... plain cheese pizza is always on the menu!!

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."

wais shirzai

Thanks alot Sister for your Beautiful saying i am nothing sister the best person wants the Humanity was Prophet Muhammed(p.u.h) and inshallah with the help of ISLAM every single human will seek the Humanity of Islam Inshallah. You are beauty in your attitude.thank you thanx alot sister.

Most welcome brother debdodd for sending your son Pm me i will talk with you give you the address of my home and don't every think he will feel worst from me He will be the Partner with me in Peshawar pakistan i have lots of friends as well we will enjoy most and inshallah he will soon seek the Arabic.
Believe me when he Embrace by ISLAM he will be the one Who got the True path .. And i request from you people that Brothers/sisters no one wants to be in the fire the mistakes the Bible and other religion books has in the noble Qur'an there isn't a single Mistake because it is a Divine Revelation from the Real god from Allah(s.w.t) why don't you accept these things the Scientific signs in the Qur'an how could the Book which was revealed 1400 years before talk with today's science the Other books can't present the Reality of Establish science Qur'an Presents for us. Like Bible says that Insects has four feet even a child knows that insects has 2 feets there is no bird no insect in the world which has four feet if you glance at other religion Books you will find many Mistakes while check out the Glorious Qur'an it doesn't has.
I request from you people i am not telling you people to directly come to this religion (ISLAM) i say for you that once read your religion's book and try to know where the mistake is Brothers/Sisters.than come to Qur'an what it says try to find wheter it has Mistake or not. I have information of other religion's books i have goten this information by our Lovely teacher From Doctor Zakir naik. I LOVE HIM (if anyone get the truth and conceal it , it means that he/she is defeating his/her self wish) you don't mind what i am saying take care and be healthy with the mercy of Allah(s.w.t) I would like to end this post with the Qoutation from the Glorious Qur'an from Surah Baqarah ch:2 v:152 Then do ye remember Me; I will remember you. Be grateful to Me, and reject not Faith.Wa Aakhirudawana Anil Hamdulillahi Rabbil Alameen

Hope you are all happy from me ,,,,,,

Astreja

Wais, I don't believe that "the fire" exists. I am so convinced that a god would not create such a place that I'm prepared to risk everything to stand up and say "I will not, under any circumstances, worship a god that threatens anyone with eternal punishment."

From what I've read so far, there is nothing in the Qur'an that Greek scientists hadn't already discovered hundreds of years before.

Actually, an insect has *six* feet, not four or two.

Not relevant. Even if every single scientific detail is correct, that does not make a religious book true in its religious details. The physical world can be observed, and correct observations made and recorded. However, there is no empirical evidence for the existence of gods. All we have so far, after thousands of years and countless religions, is the conflicting testimony of millions of believers.

Flippingj

Good Day Everyone, I hope everyone is well.

What word was that Dear SisterX? Convert to Islam, Pay the Jizya and accept the 2nd Class Dhimmi Status, or Die?

Here is some information from Islam Q&A. Are you going to go and inform them that they have it all wrong?

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln...QR=34830&dgn=3

Question:
Is it obligatory for every Muslim to go out for jihad? Or is jihad mustahabb and not obligatory?

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Physical jihad is the pinnacle of Islam, and some scholars regarded it as the sixth pillar of Islam.

Rulings on jihad

The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) have mentioned the rulings on jihad and have stated that jihad is of two types:

1 – Taking the initiative in fighting
This means pursuing the kaafirs in their lands and calling them to Islam and fighting them if they do not agree to submit to the rule of Islam.
This kind of jihad is fard kifaayah (a communal obligation) upon the Muslims. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allaah), then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do”
[al-Anfaal 8:39]

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=43087&ln=eng
Question:
Was Islam spread by the sword?

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
We have already stated in question no. 34830 that jihad is of two types: taking the initiative in fighting and jihad in self-defence.

4 – The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been sent ahead of the Hour with the sword so that Allaah will be worshipped alone, and my provision has been placed in the shade of my spear, and humiliation has been decreed for those who go against my command, and whoever imitates a people is one of them.” Narrated by Ahmad, 4869; Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2831.

The fact that the sword and power were means of spreading Islam is not a sources of shame for Islam, rather it is one of its strengths and virtues, because that makes people adhere to that which will benefit them in this world and in the Hereafter. Many people are foolish and lacking in wisdom and knowledge, and if they are left to their own devices they will remain blinded to the truth, indulging in their whims and desires. So Allaah has prescribed jihad in order to bring them back to the truth and to that which will benefit them. Undoubtedly wisdom dictates that the fool should be prevented from doing that which will harm him, and should be forced to do that which will benefit him.

Al-Bukhaari (4557) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “ ‘You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind’ [Aal- Imraan 3:110 – interpretation of the meaning].” He said: “You are the best (i.e., the most beneficial) of people for mankind, you bring them in the chains that are around their necks until they enter Islam.” Can people be brought in chains except in the case of jihad??
This is something for which Islam deserves to be praised, not condemned. The defeatists should fear Allaah lest they distort this religion and cause it to become weak on the basis of the claim that it is a religion of peace. Yes, it is the religion of peace but in the sense of saving all of mankind from worshipping anything other than Allaah and submitting all of mankind to the rule of Allaah. This is the religion of Allaah, not the ideas of any person or the product of human thought, so that those who promote it should feel ashamed to state its ultimate goal, which is that all religion (worship) should be for Allaah alone. When the ideas that people follow are all produced by human beings and the systems and laws that control their lives are all made up by human beings, then in this case each idea and each system has the right to live safely within its own borders so long as it does not transgress the borders of others, so the various ideas and laws can co-exist and not try to destroy one another. But when there is a divine system and law, and alongside it there are human systems and laws, then the matter is fundamentally different, and the divine law has the right to remove the barriers and free people from enslavement to human beings…

Fiqh al-Da’wah by Sayyid Qutb, 217-222.

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (12/14):
Islam spread by means of proof and evidence to those who listened to the message and responded to it, and it spread by means of force and the sword to those who were stubborn and arrogant, until they were overwhelmed and became no longer stubborn, and submitted to that reality.
And Allaah knows best.

I am very happy that Islam gave you and your sisters all this Dear SisterX. The High Priests were wrong in debating whether or not a woman is a human being or not. To even consider such a thing as a legitimate question is absolutely ridiculous.

You are attempting to compare apples with oranges. When alleged religious treason is committed due to apostasy it’s a matter of sensibilities for a particular group of people. That person that converts from Islam is not hurting anyone at all. If he or she leaves Islam and talks bad about it why does that affect you or any other Muslim? God will punish them eventually, correct? So there is absolutely no need for Muslims to take justice into their own hands since Allah is powerful enough to punish them himself.

When acts of Treason are committed towards a country in today’s world it is a matter of national security which could harm many people. That is why there is a stiff punishment for Treason. By a person running their mouth and giving valuable intelligence to a foreign government they are giving information that can put innocent people in harms way.

How about the people that spoke out against Mohammed? Do they deserve death for their actions? If so, why? Since Muslims have a monopoly on the truth, what other people say shouldn’t really effect them, correct?


I never said that it was. I was just trying to give information to Wais Shirzai that there is in fact poverty in Saudi Arabia, which is contrary to his claim that there is no poverty in Saudi Arabia due to alms giving.

No where have I stated that the United States or Democracy is perfect. Like I said in a previous post, it is a work in progress. I also don’t condone my government giving aid and support to those countries where the leaders persecute their own population.

And I agree with you that the crime rate in the United States is higher than what it is in Saudi Arabia. However religious persecution in Saudi Arabia is much higher than what it is in the United States. But that is a whole separate subject.

Please don't get me wrong SisterX, I do not believe all Muslims are bad as I am sure that you don't believe all Americans are bad. Like I said in my previous post. I am currently living in the Middle East and have met many wonderfull people that are Muslims. Their hospitality is amazing. But we have to accept history for what it is, whether good or bad.

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