Would you kill your child for god? - Page 5

Geshtinnanna · 09-27-2007, 12:10 AM

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oh, and Jayhawker...you still haven't answered the question. Amplitude did, why can't you?

Sometimes really really really smart people are incapable of answering yes or no.

Maximus · 09-27-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by El_Mariachi64

I think Maximus was just exaggerating in a sarcastic manner. I think the point is he'd rather shoot himself than kill a kid.

Yes, hooray you win the lottery, I wouldn't kill my kid, and if God told me to then either I do it or he's gonna kill me, unless I kill myself first.

**Jayhawker Soule** · 09-27-2007, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Geshtinnanna

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oh, and Jayhawker...you still haven't answered the question. Amplitude did, why can't you?

Sometimes really really really smart people are incapable of answering yes or no.

Sometimes really really really childish people are incapable of asking questions worthy of such a response.

Jesse · 09-27-2007, 05:44 AM

Dance Jay, Dance!

Geshtinnanna · 09-27-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

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Originally Posted by Geshtinnanna

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oh, and Jayhawker...you still haven't answered the question. Amplitude did, why can't you?

Sometimes really really really smart people are incapable of answering yes or no.

Sometimes really really really childish people are incapable of asking questions worthy of such a response.

You couldn't just say yes or no huh?
I rest my case your honor.
Let the peanut gallery speak!

**Jayhawker Soule** · 09-28-2007, 05:02 AM

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What made Abraham's God such a radical departure from those who went before? The legend of the near sacrifice of his son Isaac, sadly misrepresented to his day, explains the evolutionary leap that iconoclasm makes possible. Although shrouded in apologetic revisionism, some archaeological research and the Torah itself admits to the widespread biblical-era practice of child sacrifice. In fear of the pagan gods - most commonly Molloch - early Canaanites are believed to have sacrificed their firstborn male children on e altar. Though surely a painful process, it was believed that the first male child belonged to the reigning deity and that he must be surrendered lest terrible misfortune befall his father.

When biblical Abraham hears the voice of God tell him to sacrifice his son, he has no choice and dutifully - some argue even mechanically - brings Isaac to the altar. But, unlike the pagan fertility gods, Abraham's deity sends an angel to stay his hand. This new God, it is later revealed, requires only the symbolic gesture of circumcision to sanctify his covenant. That, and the occasional sacrifice of animals. Though circumcision itself may seem like a cruel punishment to inflict on a hapless infant, it's certainly less barbaric than wholesale slaughter.

Of course, it is not God who requires sacrifice, but man, Fearful of the elements and their chaotic unpredictability, primitive men represent the forces of nature as brooding, angry deities, hungry for a pound of flesh. ... These anxieties combined to make child sacrifice a traumatic but oddly reassuring ritual. It seems to have been widespread and recurrent, rising in popularity repeatedly throughout biblical times, as evidenced by how many prophets felt the need to speak out against it, The myth of God's covenant with Abraham was meant to end this barbaric and debilitating practice, while replacing it with a relatively harmless ritual that, nonetheless, gave primitive men a way of expressing their anxiety about the wrath of God and the unseen forces of nature and exercising absolute power over their sons. By smashing idols, Abraham made way for an abstract and infinitely more compassionate deity, as well as a set of more humane wahs to demonstrate one's devotion to him.

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By releasing the Torah from its obligation to serve as a historical record we liberate it, and ourselves, to generate an unending bounty of narratives through which to create meaning.

- from Nothing Sacred - the Truth About Judaism

To the West Semitic audience, what was noteworthy was not the demand to sacrifice the son, but the [previously unheard of] reprieve.

bobleplask · 11-10-2007, 09:19 AM

I don't have a kid.. And regarding if a God exists or not - I do not know.

Point is: If a God; THE God that made everything and nothing one day told me that I should kill a specific kid then I see no reason not to do it. Any reason I could think of would be wrong as God said it would be right. Now, there is a chance that the God presented to me is not a God at all, but some sort of trick my mind played on me or some other kind of entity that were tricking me. If we look away from that then yes, I probably would kill the said kid.

I short and to please people: Yes

neverforever · 11-10-2007, 10:08 AM

Wow who ever said sacrifice i think my specific question was that if god told you to kill off your child because it was the Antichrist or son of the devil for those of you that don't know what I'm talking about. Would you do it? Someone of these people preach on here that god is always right and that you should always do what god says. But yet they would not fulfill his wishes and they would be condemned to hell for not doing as told.

AB517 · 11-12-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by neverforever

Wow who ever said sacrifice i think my specific question was that if god told you to kill off your child because it was the Antichrist or son of the devil for those of you that don't know what I'm talking about. Would you do it? Someone of these people preach on here that god is always right and that you should always do what god says. But yet they would not fulfill his wishes and they would be condemned to hell for not doing as told.

If my son is a rapist or child molester ... I would kill him myself if allowed. I would not want him to hurt another person. If I knew and he did it .... its my fault.
they are 6 + 9 now.

God would never come ask like they do in the movies. It dont work like that.

neverforever · 11-12-2007, 04:19 PM

I just asked the question because someone i know always acts like god talks to her like talking to a friend face to face kind of thing.