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Old 07-17-2008, 06:46 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Is this in reference to the test of Abraham's faith?
What kind of god would ask you to do such a heinous act? Only the OT god.

Funny ole Ab had faith enough to butcher his own son but was a coward who pimped his own wife...twice! Of course he gained a few goodies by doing so. What kind of man would prostitute his wife? Abraham and his sister/wife and their merry band of cons were the original gypsies. They went about tricking unwary folks out of all they could get. Ab was also the original dead-beat dad who didn't have a problem having sex with Hagar but after sixteen or seventeen years of having Ishmael around, he allowed witch Sarah to cast them out with nothing but a jug of water. What a man. Thank goodness we now have laws against such things.
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Is this in reference to the test of Abraham's faith?
What kind of god would ask you to do such a heinous act? Only the OT god.

Funny ole Ab had faith enough to butcher his own son but was a coward who pimped his own wife...twice! Of course he gained a few goodies by doing so. What kind of man would prostitute his wife? Abraham and his sister/wife and their merry band of cons were the original gypsies. They went about tricking unwary folks out of all they could get. Ab was also the original dead-beat dad who didn't have a problem having sex with Hagar but after sixteen or seventeen years of having Ishmael around, he allowed witch Sarah to cast them out with nothing but a jug of water. What a man. Thank goodness we now have laws against such things.
And bible thumpers have a problem with Harry Potter. Go figure.
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Lol... "clean soil"... dirty women... lol...

Anyways... Abraham was a selfish, gutless fool. He'd be in prison right now if he lived in our time. In older manuscripts, Issac vanishes from the narrative. It's as if in the original story, Abraham actually did murder him.
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touching women is the way that Quran expresses the sex action and its motivations.
Jibberish. Look at it again (this one of many examples):
And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands (therewith).

It doesn't say after you've screwed women. (why plural?) It's "touching", and it's equated with being ill. Secondly, where can one find clean soil?

You're also not to pray if you've recently been drunk, dirty, or have touched a woman. (4:43) Let's pretend that touching = have sex with. Why would recently having sex interfere with prayer?
Seriously... where do they keep the clean soil?
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Is this in reference to the test of Abraham's faith?
What kind of god would ask you to do such a heinous act? Only the OT god.

Funny ole Ab had faith enough to butcher his own son but was a coward who pimped his own wife...twice! Of course he gained a few goodies by doing so. What kind of man would prostitute his wife? Abraham and his sister/wife and their merry band of cons were the original gypsies. They went about tricking unwary folks out of all they could get. Ab was also the original dead-beat dad who didn't have a problem having sex with Hagar but after sixteen or seventeen years of having Ishmael around, he allowed witch Sarah to cast them out with nothing but a jug of water. What a man. Thank goodness we now have laws against such things.
And bible thumpers have a problem with Harry Potter. Go figure.
Wait until they have to explain what incest is to their children or why Lot had sex with his own daughters! BTW if the 'holy' Lot family had to leave in such a rush, where did they get all that wine to get daddy dearest that drunk? Did they have seven eleven stores in the deserted mountains? Psst...just between you and I, I don't think Lot was drunk. nasty nasty
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Old 07-18-2008, 08:25 AM   #145 (permalink)
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Wait until they have to explain what incest is to their children or why Lot had sex with his own daughters! BTW if the 'holy' Lot family had to leave in such a rush, where did they get all that wine to get daddy dearest that drunk? Did they have seven eleven stores in the deserted mountains? Psst...just between you and I, I don't think Lot was drunk. nasty nasty
First, Lot PBUH is noble respected person, he did not have sex with his own daughters.
This kind of information is one of so many lies, wrong people put in the holy bible and the holy tourah.

Wine is not drunked by good people like the prophets PBUT, but by you disobedient to Allah.

Abraham PBUH did not get married of his sister, this is another lie you have just clamied.
Actually, there was a king who take any man's wife, but if the woman you are with is not your wife, he will leave you both, like that, so Abraham had to tell him that she is his sister and he didn't lie, because we all are brother and sisters since Adam and Eve are our parents.

He had to do that to protect his wife.

He is not a person who let people have sex with his women.

God honoured hagar and her son Ishmael, and He provide them with the Best water in the world (Zamzam).
This water is a medicen and it is a gift from Allah The Most Generous.

The miracle of this water is that you can drink it only and leave the food and you will not die of hunger.

If you ask Allah something before drinking that water, Allah The Merciful will give you that.

Allah Glory be to Him is The Source of Good.

35. And (remember) when Ibrâhim (Abraham) said: "O my Lord! Make this city (Makkah) one of peace and security, and keep me and my sons away from worshipping idols.

36. "O my Lord! They have indeed led astray many among mankind. But whoso follows me, he verily is of me. And whoso disobeys me, - still You are indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

37. "O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in an uncultivable valley by Your Sacred House (the Ka'bah at Makkah); in order, O our Lord, that they may perform prayer, so fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allâh) provide them with fruits so that they may give thanks.[]

38. "O our Lord! Certainly, You know what we conceal and what we reveal. Nothing on the earth or in the heaven is hidden from Allâh.

39. "All the praises and thanks be to Allâh, Who has given me in old age Ismâ'il (Ishmael) and Ishâque (Isaac). Verily! My Lord is indeed the All-Hearer of invocations.

40. "O my Lord! Make me one who performs prayer, and (also) from my offspring, our Lord! And accept my invocation.

41. "Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents, and (all) the believers on the Day when the reckoning will be established."


42. Consider not that Allâh is unaware of that which the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers, etc.) do, but He gives them respite up to a Day when the eyes will stare in horror.

43. (They will be) hastening forward with necks outstretched, their heads raised up (towards the sky), their gaze returning not towards them and their hearts empty (from thinking because of extreme fear).

44. And warn (O Muhammad PBUH) mankind of the Day when the torment will come unto them; then the wrong-doers will say: "Our Lord! Respite us for a little while, we will answer Your Call and follow the Messengers!" (It will be said): "Had you not sworn aforetime that you would not leave (the world for the Hereafter).

45. "And you dwelt in the dwellings of men who wronged themselves, and it was clear to you how We had dealt with them. And We put forth (many) parables for you."

46. Indeed, they planned their plot, and their plot was with Allâh, though their plot was a great (one, still) it would never be able to remove the mountains (real mountains or the Islâmic law) from their places (as it is of no importance). [It is said by some interpreters regarding this Verse that the Quraish pagans plotted against Prophet Muhammad PBUH to kill him but they failed and were unable to carry out their plot which they plotted].

47. So think not that Allâh will fail to keep His Promise to His Messengers. Certainly, Allâh is All-Mighty, - All-Able of Retribution.

48. On the Day when the earth will be changed to another earth and so will be the heavens, and they (all creatures) will appear before Allâh, the One, the Irresistible.

49. And you will see the Mujrimûn (criminals, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism, polytheists, disobedient to Allâh, etc.) that Day bound together in fetters; [Muqarranûn in fetters; mean:- with their hands and feet tied to their necks with chains.]

50. Their garments will be of pitch, and fire will cover their faces.

51. That Allâh may requite each person according to what he has earned. Truly, Allâh is Swift at reckoning.

52. This (Qur'ân) is a Message for mankind (and a clear proof against them), in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is the only One Ilâh (God - Allâh) - (none has the right to be worshipped but Allâh), and that men of understanding may take heed
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I didn't paste the insane rant but it is available above. One religion is as bad as the next. If you choose to believe in a religion that treats women worse than cattle that is your right. Bringing a child up in a doctrine of hate is a crime against humanity, child abuse and utter foolishness. In other words, you need your ass kicked.

Why don't you take off the berka and stop groveling at the feet of men and your imaginary god! Happy Jihad
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Wait until they have to explain what incest is to their children or why Lot had sex with his own daughters! BTW if the 'holy' Lot family had to leave in such a rush, where did they get all that wine to get daddy dearest that drunk? Did they have seven eleven stores in the deserted mountains? Psst...just between you and I, I don't think Lot was drunk. nasty nasty
First, Lot PBUH is noble respected person, he did not have sex with his own daughters.
This kind of information is one of so many lies, wrong people put in the holy bible and the holy tourah.

Wine is not drunked by good people like the prophets PBUT, but by you disobedient to Allah.

Abraham PBUH did not get married of his sister, this is another lie you have just clamied.
Actually, there was a king who take any man's wife, but if the woman you are with is not your wife, he will leave you both, like that, so Abraham had to tell him that she is his sister and he didn't lie, because we all are brother and sisters since Adam and Eve are our parents.

He had to do that to protect his wife.

He is not a person who let people have sex with his women.

God honoured hagar and her son Ishmael, and He provide them with the Best water in the world (Zamzam).
This water is a medicen and it is a gift from Allah The Most Generous.

The miracle of this water is that you can drink it only and leave the food and you will not die of hunger.

If you ask Allah something before drinking that water, Allah The Merciful will give you that.

Allah Glory be to Him is The Source of Good.

35. And (remember) when Ibrâhim (Abraham) said: "O my Lord! Make this city (Makkah) one of peace and security, and keep me and my sons away from worshipping idols.

36. "O my Lord! They have indeed led astray many among mankind. But whoso follows me, he verily is of me. And whoso disobeys me, - still You are indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

37. "O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in an uncultivable valley by Your Sacred House (the Ka'bah at Makkah); in order, O our Lord, that they may perform prayer, so fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allâh) provide them with fruits so that they may give thanks.[]

38. "O our Lord! Certainly, You know what we conceal and what we reveal. Nothing on the earth or in the heaven is hidden from Allâh.

39. "All the praises and thanks be to Allâh, Who has given me in old age Ismâ'il (Ishmael) and Ishâque (Isaac). Verily! My Lord is indeed the All-Hearer of invocations.

40. "O my Lord! Make me one who performs prayer, and (also) from my offspring, our Lord! And accept my invocation.

41. "Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents, and (all) the believers on the Day when the reckoning will be established."


42. Consider not that Allâh is unaware of that which the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers, etc.) do, but He gives them respite up to a Day when the eyes will stare in horror.

43. (They will be) hastening forward with necks outstretched, their heads raised up (towards the sky), their gaze returning not towards them and their hearts empty (from thinking because of extreme fear).

44. And warn (O Muhammad PBUH) mankind of the Day when the torment will come unto them; then the wrong-doers will say: "Our Lord! Respite us for a little while, we will answer Your Call and follow the Messengers!" (It will be said): "Had you not sworn aforetime that you would not leave (the world for the Hereafter).

45. "And you dwelt in the dwellings of men who wronged themselves, and it was clear to you how We had dealt with them. And We put forth (many) parables for you."

46. Indeed, they planned their plot, and their plot was with Allâh, though their plot was a great (one, still) it would never be able to remove the mountains (real mountains or the Islâmic law) from their places (as it is of no importance). [It is said by some interpreters regarding this Verse that the Quraish pagans plotted against Prophet Muhammad PBUH to kill him but they failed and were unable to carry out their plot which they plotted].

47. So think not that Allâh will fail to keep His Promise to His Messengers. Certainly, Allâh is All-Mighty, - All-Able of Retribution.

48. On the Day when the earth will be changed to another earth and so will be the heavens, and they (all creatures) will appear before Allâh, the One, the Irresistible.

49. And you will see the Mujrimûn (criminals, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism, polytheists, disobedient to Allâh, etc.) that Day bound together in fetters; [Muqarranûn in fetters; mean:- with their hands and feet tied to their necks with chains.]

50. Their garments will be of pitch, and fire will cover their faces.

51. That Allâh may requite each person according to what he has earned. Truly, Allâh is Swift at reckoning.

52. This (Qur'ân) is a Message for mankind (and a clear proof against them), in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is the only One Ilâh (God - Allâh) - (none has the right to be worshipped but Allâh), and that men of understanding may take heed
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Water kills more africans than aids is that a gift from allah. When are you actualy going to answer anything we say with your own thoughts. If you aint get the behind me, be offf.
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you should know by now that asoa and BB are never going to answer our questions .... muslims always quote the quran and christains when not quoting the bible and giving you the run around .... notice BB hasn't been around wonder where that little troll is hiding .... as of yesterday he was averaging 27 posts a day .... now he's dropped off the radar .... hope it wasn't anything we said that chased him off ...
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you should know by now that asoa and BB are never going to answer our questions .... muslims always quote the quran and christains when not quoting the bible and giving you the run around .... notice BB hasn't been around wonder where that little troll is hiding .... as of yesterday he was averaging 27 posts a day .... now he's dropped off the radar .... hope it wasn't anything we said that chased him off ...
Its the truth that frightens them away, its too painful to accept they are living a lie..Can you imagine them in their community saying ive been on a thread for two days and im now an athiest.No they are just regrouping.
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BB alias Beavis-Butthead can regroup all he wants but I think it more about the fact that we called him on his religion ...

I mean come on ... he had a 27 a day posting average, talking all his god talk and once dinged about the fact that he should be using that much time on AF out doing his god's work .... or maybe it was time for his shift at Pizza Hut? After all that is a busy time for pizza delivery workers ...

sorry, I just couldn't resist, I know a couple of good college kids that deliver pizzas and putting him with them is an insult to those nice boys ...

He'll be back if for no other reason than to throw a few insults my way ... we'll see ... maybe he'll be christian enough to turn the other cheek ad walk away ....... nah .....

BB come out, come out where ever you are ....
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