Originally Posted by a slave of Allah

It depends on the person, if the person loves God more, then he would kill his son if and only if God The Lord orderd him.

For God, every thing will be, even if He order me to kill myself.

It is God who gave him son, so it is the favour of God.

If God had willed, the person would not have a son.

If someone gave you a car for one year, he has the right to take it back and you have to thank him (if you are just and appreciative), but if you are bad and ungrateful, then we expect you to be against God The Beneficent.

We love God more than every thing.

All the favours are from God, every thing good is from Him.

Abraham was a good and grateful person, so he loved God more than every thing.

Abraham and his son PBUT, God will admit them into the highest rank in Paradise, they will abid therein forever.

99. And he said (after his rescue from the fire): "Verily, I am going to my Lord. He will guide me!"

100. "My Lord! Grant me (offspring) from the righteous."

101. So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.

102. And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offer you in sacrifice to Allâh), so look what you think!" He said: "O my father! Do that which you are commanded, Inshâ' Allâh (if Allâh will), you shall find me of As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.)."

103. Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allâh), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

104. And We called out to him: "O Abraham!

105. You have fulfilled the dream (vision)!" Verily! Thus do We reward the Muhsinûn (good-doers - see V.2:112).

106. Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial

107. And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. ßÈÔ - a ram);

108. And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among generations (to come) in later times.

109. Salâmun (peace) be upon Ibrâhim (Abraham)!"

110. Thus indeed do We reward the Muhsinûn (good-doers - see V.2:112).

111. Verily, he was one of Our believing slaves.

112. And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishâque (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.

Originally Posted by Ice_Monkey

Lol... "clean soil"... dirty women... lol...

Anyways... Abraham was a selfish, gutless fool. He'd be in prison right now if he lived in our time. In older manuscripts, Issac vanishes from the narrative. It's as if in the original story, Abraham actually did murder him.

Originally Posted by a slave of Allah

It depends on the person, if the person loves God more, then he would kill his son if and only if God The Lord orderd him.

Originally Posted by AB517

I think slave,

It is about making "we" more important than "me". Making "ours" more important than "mine". Not all the time, but most of it. This is one main reasons I am not a Buddhist or a "Power of Now" guy, they are too focused on "me" and I like to think about "them" first.

Originally Posted by a slave of Allah

you may see this AB517

http://www.agnosticforums.com/evolut...html#post31019

Originally Posted by AB517

Thank you

Originally Posted by a slave of Allah

any way monkey; your mind is not as our mind.

Originally Posted by Ice_Monkey

You're also not to pray if you've recently been drunk, dirty, or have touched a woman. (4:43) Let's pretend that touching = have sex with. Why would recently having sex interfere with prayer?