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12-16-2007, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by neverforever This question just came to me this is aimed more towards the theists here.
If god spoke to you if he does talk to you (i know some Christians that claim he talks to them)
And he told you that you had to kill your son or daughter because they were the Antichrist or something along those lines would you do it?
I mean your not suppose to challenge the almighty. | NO
because from what I have gathered and read he wouldn't do that
It would more likely be the voices in head saying that more than God saying it
or it would be the Devil saying that and then I would have a dead kid and some jail time |
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12-17-2007, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by El_Mariachi64 i don't think any theists or believers have actually answered yet...
the reason I think that is because no one has avoided the question and justified whatever God they believed in, and given a defensive answer.
Its a good thing I'm agnostic, the answer is simply no. no way in hell. I would assume I was nuts | Well, I'm your Huckleberry, sir( As Doc Holiday would say). However, first off , I would say that this is a very difficult question to answer, as a human being , much more,as a christian. The second thing I thought about was, searching the scripture. If you read carefully the bible supports itself on every topic. The great thing about the disciples where I go, is that they are amazing studiers of the word. They are familiar with the original scripture languages, if not speak them fluently, in order to get a more accuarate adaptation of the scripures. So, on that note, everything must be taken into context. Everything written in the Bible must be taken into context. For example Acts 17:11 talks about how the Bereans studied the scripture dailey. So back to the question, now I'm going to speak from my logical mind. God does speak to people. God has spoken to me. It's not in the way that you're thinking as far as interaction between human beings. Gods understanding is much greater than ours.
If God did indeed requests of me the same things that he requested with abbraham and his son, firstly let me say that God cares about us. Secondly, let me say that God is slow to anger and abounding in love, he cares about the way we feel, earnestly. I was at one time haveing these dreams, about spiritual warfare. These dreams about fighting and running from these dark figures. In even one of them, I was completley surrounded by a room full of these dark creature, trying to preach the gospel to them( no, I do not watch scary movies), then I saw this big bright light or man come and take me from their prescence. I would take this to God in Prayer, as in ! peter 5:7, cast all your anxiety up him, because he cares for you. I do believe that if something is troubling to your soul, I would ask God to find another method to accomplish what he is asking of you. God knew that those dreams troubled me, there fore , I earnesly on my own, and with disciples, would go to him in prayer about them, and no more than 2 or three days later, God took them away from me for good. So I believe that in prayer, I would honestly ask God, humbly , if he could find another way to test my faith for him because what he was asking me, in this case , killing my child, was deeply
troubling my conscious. Now God cares about us. He's not just like some force who says " this is what I say you must do , so do it!". I do think that in simpler situaltions in some OT scenarios , this has happened, but the instructions were very simple, like don't keep anything. Or get rid of all the cattle and sheep or something. However, a command like that of Abraham, is more complicated. For example, I was studying in Numbers, and there is a passage that talks about how Moses was burdened with having to lead all the israelites, so he went to God, and poured out his heart saying , I cannot do this alone , why have you put the burden of all these people upon me. God HEARD HIS honest plea and in return , annointed a group of fellow israelites, that could help Moses not be so burdened by the task. So , again, a very common theme comes into play whereever I go, Communication.
Let me tell you about a time, when I was in at Six Flags on a very hot summer day, millions of people ! Our groups had split up. I needed to find a particulier sister who I wanted to spend some time with that day. I sat down, on bench, and prayed to God that He would Put her in my path". So after words I got up, and decided to walk around and decide what ride I wanted to do next,and, low and behold, this particuler sister was walking right ahead of me. I mean this park was so Huge, and finding someone without walking around the entire park at least twice, would be like a needle in a haystack. So, in a nutshell, I would talk to God about it. I would fast and pray and ask , in humility , that he would find another way to test my faith , because taking my child's life, was very troubling to me. It' called , a relationship with God. However these are situtation that are honestly worth studying out in the Bible. I'll let you guys in on what I find out.......... Sorry my answer is so long........... |
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12-17-2007, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cherrysmile Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Mariachi64 i don't think any theists or believers have actually answered yet...
the reason I think that is because no one has avoided the question and justified whatever God they believed in, and given a defensive answer.
Its a good thing I'm agnostic, the answer is simply no. no way in hell. I would assume I was nuts | Well, I'm your Huckleberry, sir( As Doc Holiday would say). However, first off , I would say that this is a very difficult question to answer, as a human being , much more,as a christian. The second thing I thought about was, searching the scripture. If you read carefully the bible supports itself on every topic. The great thing about the disciples where I go, is that they are amazing studiers of the word. They are familiar with the original scripture languages, if not speak them fluently, in order to get a more accuarate adaptation of the scripures. So, on that note, everything must be taken into context. Everything written in the Bible must be taken into context. For example Acts 17:11 talks about how the Bereans studied the scripture dailey. So back to the question, now I'm going to speak from my logical mind. God does speak to people. God has spoken to me. It's not in the way that you're thinking as far as interaction between human beings. Gods understanding is much greater than ours.
If God did indeed requests of me the same things that he requested with abbraham and his son, firstly let me say that God cares about us. Secondly, let me say that God is slow to anger and abounding in love, he cares about the way we feel, earnestly. I was at one time haveing these dreams, about spiritual warfare. These dreams about fighting and running from these dark figures. In even one of them, I was completley surrounded by a room full of these dark creature, trying to preach the gospel to them( no, I do not watch scary movies), then I saw this big bright light or man come and take me from their prescence. I would take this to God in Prayer, as in ! peter 5:7, cast all your anxiety up him, because he cares for you. I do believe that if something is troubling to your soul, I would ask God to find another method to accomplish what he is asking of you. God knew that those dreams troubled me, there fore , I earnesly on my own, and with disciples, would go to him in prayer about them, and no more than 2 or three days later, God took them away from me for good. So I believe that in prayer, I would honestly ask God, humbly , if he could find another way to test my faith for him because what he was asking me, in this case , killing my child, was deeply
troubling my conscious. Now God cares about us. He's not just like some force who says " this is what I say you must do , so do it!". I do think that in simpler situaltions in some OT scenarios , this has happened, but the instructions were very simple, like don't keep anything. Or get rid of all the cattle and sheep or something. However, a command like that of Abraham, is more complicated. For example, I was studying in Numbers, and there is a passage that talks about how Moses was burdened with having to lead all the israelites, so he went to God, and poured out his heart saying , I cannot do this alone , why have you put the burden of all these people upon me. God HEARD HIS honest plea and in return , annointed a group of fellow israelites, that could help Moses not be so burdened by the task. So , again, a very common theme comes into play whereever I go, Communication.
Let me tell you about a time, when I was in at Six Flags on a very hot summer day, millions of people ! Our groups had split up. I needed to find a particulier sister who I wanted to spend some time with that day. I sat down, on bench, and prayed to God that He would Put her in my path". So after words I got up, and decided to walk around and decide what ride I wanted to do next,and, low and behold, this particuler sister was walking right ahead of me. I mean this park was so Huge, and finding someone without walking around the entire park at least twice, would be like a needle in a haystack. So, in a nutshell, I would talk to God about it. I would fast and pray and ask , in humility , that he would find another way to test my faith , because taking my child's life, was very troubling to me. It' called , a relationship with God. However these are situtation that are honestly worth studying out in the Bible. I'll let you guys in on what I find out.......... Sorry my answer is so long........... | So.. from what I can understand your answer is "no"?  |
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12-28-2007, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by greywolf90
You know an afull lot for being an Agnostic... Yes God Cared because Isaac was the promised son. God used Isaac greatly in the years to come... also If God did not care about Isaac then why did God stop Abraham's hand from killing Issac?
And I know my Bible thank you. | Perhaps because , in the end , Abraham realised that his hallucinations were about to cause the death of his son. i'm pretty sure the screams of Issac or Ishmael, depending on who the heck was tied on the sacrificing alter that day,had something to do with it.
Quickfire question. Why does yahweh want all those animals to be chopped up and burned in the first place? What does he DO, with them. I know that scripture says he found the smell pleasant, but for a God that loves all living things, and dosnt need to eat itself, whats the deal with the mass animal culling? |
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02-03-2008, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Astreja No, I would not kill my child (or, indeed, anyone) in response to a god's request/order.
I would, however, give serious consideration to killing any god that asked such a thing of me. | I don't have kids but I agree with you. |
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02-05-2008, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by November Rain Quote:
Originally Posted by Astreja No, I would not kill my child (or, indeed, anyone) in response to a god's request/order.
I would, however, give serious consideration to killing any god that asked such a thing of me. | I don't have kids but I agree with you. | selfish answer.
Me and mine are more important than we and us. Typical.
Do not worry about killing God, look at why you were asked first. |
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02-05-2008, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AB517 selfish answer.
Me and mine are more important than we and us. Typical.
Do not worry about killing God, look at why you were asked first. | I stand by my answer. I refuse to obey orders that I consider grossly immoral.
And who are this 'we and us', and why exactly should I give them priority over 'me and mine'? |
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02-06-2008, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Astreja Quote:
Originally Posted by AB517 selfish answer.
Me and mine are more important than we and us. Typical.
Do not worry about killing God, look at why you were asked first. | I stand by my answer. I refuse to obey orders that I consider grossly immoral.
And who are this 'we and us', and why exactly should I give them priority over 'me and mine'? | Lamo,
This we and us is would a group that you belong to and want to be part of. We can change this question to “when would you not sacrifice yourself”, but it was phrased “when would you?” There are many circumstances that occur where you have to say to the group “I can’t do this”.
How about if we change the word “kill” to “sacrifice”.
Forget about a booming voice in the sky, even a chicken sit cowered could listen to that, although if that came to me I would suspect aliens and not comply because God wouldn’t do it that way, it infringes on free will you see.
Would you ever sacrifice something very dear to you in order to save/help others? I am not talking about 100% certain of anything, I am talking about a discussion based on the information you, and maybe others, have at the time. |
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02-06-2008, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AB517 Quote:
Originally Posted by November Rain Quote:
Originally Posted by Astreja No, I would not kill my child (or, indeed, anyone) in response to a god's request/order.
I would, however, give serious consideration to killing any god that asked such a thing of me. | I don't have kids but I agree with you. | selfish answer.
Me and mine are more important than we and us. Typical.
Do not worry about killing God, look at why you were asked first. | Why exactly would a God ask a human to kill their own child?
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02-06-2008, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Geshtinnanna Quote:
Originally Posted by AB517 Quote:
Originally Posted by November Rain Quote:
Originally Posted by Astreja No, I would not kill my child (or, indeed, anyone) in response to a god's request/order.
I would, however, give serious consideration to killing any god that asked such a thing of me. | I don't have kids but I agree with you. | selfish answer.
Me and mine are more important than we and us. Typical.
Do not worry about killing God, look at why you were asked first. | Why exactly would a God ask a human to kill their own child? | lol
He would not.
I think are we just messin around. 
Did you step out for a bit G?
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