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12-08-2007, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Lecter Ha, yeah. But it's always nice to discuss things with you  | Thanks Lecter.... you make me blush 
I saw on Canadian TV, a Danish journalist ..... in the Michael Moore style but much nicer and much less rabid, he vistited the three countries and interviewed different people, ordinary and important.
It would be interesting to know what your take is/was on this documentary?
I wonder if it is on utube? Sorry, I don't have any other details. Quote: |
hmmm I'm not sure what you mean.
| What I mean is: does it encourage understanding by saying the Bible is right and the Qur'an wrong. How does this help anyone.... I say embrace the similarities and differences ..... and don't say what I believe and hold most dear is corrupted?
ps was the joke funny or offensive?
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12-08-2007, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by romansh I saw on Canadian TV, a Danish journalist ..... in the Michael Moore style but much nicer and much less rabid, he vistited the three countries and interviewed different people, ordinary and important.
It would be interesting to know what your take is/was on this documentary?
I wonder if it is on utube? Sorry, I don't have any other details. | Hmmm haven't watched it. I'll look for it and let you know what I thought about it. Quote: |
What I mean is: does it encourage understanding by saying the Bible is right and the Qur'an wrong. How does this help anyone....
| Ah I see what you mean now. Maybe his wording wasn't the best to portray what he was trying to say. But like you said, there are still differences and we should learn to live together despite of them. Quote: |
I say embrace the similarities and differences ..... and don't say what I believe and hold most dear is corrupted?
| The Qur'an actually agrees with you. Before it talks about the differences it tells us to look for the similarities.
"Say, .O people of the Book, come to a word common between us and between you, that we worship none but Allah, that we associate nothing with Him and that some of us do not take others as Lords instead of Allah.. Then, should they turn back, say, .Bear witness that we are Muslims.." [3:64] Quote: |
ps was the joke funny or offensive?
| Which joke?
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12-08-2007, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Lecter Which joke? | If you were pulling my leg.... you got me good..... Quote:
Originally Posted by romansh For example one of the cartoons depicted Mohmmed (or Allah, I'm not sure which) shouting down from a cloud "Stop sending martyrs, we're running out of virgins". |
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12-08-2007, 05:26 PM
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| Hehe, you mean the cartoon.
Well here's an answer that will confuse you (or maybe not):
I thought it was wrong, funny, and not offensive. 
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12-08-2007, 05:42 PM
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| in what way wrong?
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12-14-2007, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Discovering Christ Quote:
Originally Posted by greywolf90
so it's ok if god asks you to kill someone, but not ok with rape? why would god not ask you to kill if he did with abraham?
what is the difference of killing and murder? | God has not asked me to kill anyone... and if He did it's because He's God and He can do what He wants.
GOD DID NOT WANT ABRAHAM'S SON DEAD, GOD JUST WANTED TO TEST ABRAHAM'S FAITH.
(I'm not yelling I just want everyone to see that before they ask another question) |
This is the problem I have with religion, christianity, god, whatever.....
I can understand believing in heaven and your child going there and all that good stuff. But how do you reach that place where you just know? you KNOW that your son will go to heaven and you are not well, just murdering your son because of a belief that you have. Which is what it is, a belief. It can't be proven.
Also, I just don't get why it's acceptable and ok to ask someone to murder to show faith. I have been told countless times that we are all God's children and he loves us. Well, I just can't imagine asking my son to kill his brother to show me that he loves me. What kind of request is that and why is that ok? I just don't get it......
BTW, nice meeting you
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12-15-2007, 05:56 AM
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| Just because you don't get it does not mean that it is wrong.
And all in all, nothing can really be proven. some things can be more likely than others, but there are no certainties about anything in the universe, so that makes it possible for a God to exist. The big question you need to ask yourself is if it is likely. |
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12-15-2007, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bobleplask Just because you don't get it does not mean that it is wrong.
And all in all, nothing can really be proven. some things can be more likely than others, but there are no certainties about anything in the universe, so that makes it possible for a God to exist. The big question you need to ask yourself is if it is likely. | It doesn't mean it's right either, which was the point I was trying to make.
Believing in something that causes no one harm is one thing. It is a GIANT leap in faith to do something as drastic as taking another living being's life, especially one that you love based on faith.
My question was, how do you get to that point where you are 100% certain and why is an act like this ok? How does one not question?
Nice meeting you too.
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12-15-2007, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by harleylove Quote:
Originally Posted by bobleplask Just because you don't get it does not mean that it is wrong.
And all in all, nothing can really be proven. some things can be more likely than others, but there are no certainties about anything in the universe, so that makes it possible for a God to exist. The big question you need to ask yourself is if it is likely. | It doesn't mean it's right either, which was the point I was trying to make.
Believing in something that causes no one harm is one thing. It is a GIANT leap in faith to do something as drastic as taking another living being's life, especially one that you love based on faith.
My question was, how do you get to that point where you are 100% certain and why is an act like this ok? How does one not question?
Nice meeting you too. | And nice meeting you
nothing is ever 100%, so never. And an act like this is okay from one persons point of view, while for others it is never. Depends on how much you believe in a God or how much you value a persons life.
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12-15-2007, 04:29 PM
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| Well, I do know one thing 100%. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of someone's elses belief that feels this is ok. 
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