The An-Jel

I mean what if there is no God. Science is at it's apex in the future (pick a date that suits you) Agnostics are satisfied, Atheists are satisfied, the religions are mortified but can not deny the proof no matter how many stories they tell themselves, the Universe and humankind were simply evolved (no matter the argumentative reason which by this time and through the evidence accumulated objectively finally has been solved) from a continuous form of non-intelligent fluctuations of a stable or even an unstable morphable Universe. How would this change your perspective of reality and your fellow human? Everything is real and just what it is. Life has been discovered (mind you I believe this but you can alter this conclusion from your own perspective I suppose) that shows different forms of intelligent life similiar to our own (Star Trek perspective here with humans being able to travel or simply see what is going on all over the Universe, again at your discretion) growing semi-peacefully with each other, others extraordinarily hostile. Would this lack of a God, hence lack of certain accountability, change your views on how you conduct yourself or even the universe?

This in itself is a pretty complex question I guess. I will simplify. How would you feel as the individual if you finally found the evidence in all your senses and reality if there was irrefutable evidence that there was no God at all?

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lauraclay

As I see it, there are three ways to live: for yourself, for others, for God. I think I live mainly for myself, but I'd like to live for others, so most decisions I make and most actions I perform reflect those two. I don't live for a God, as in, I don't feel I have to answer to a greater being, I don't feel there is any moral code that some force greater than I has created. I don't feel like I must 'find God's will and follow it.' I think if there was irrefutable proof that there isn't a God and everyone believed it, then we'd just see more people living for themselves and for others and less living for Gods. And I don't think this would be the degeneration of morals and civilization. I think humans are perfectly capable of creating their own moral codes and enforcing them, without the help of a deity. Maybe thousands of years ago a God was necessary to keep the populus well-ordered, but today technology supercedes that.

Geshtinnanna

Well there isn't proof that there is one so what's the difference? I have always stated that if by chance God came down and flew in front of me with a thousand angels I would still say I don't believe in it. I mean, there are real tangible objects like the handy dandy kitchen gadget shown on infomercials. I don't believe in them either. I say I pass. Doesn't mean I judge its livelihood or existence. Means it's just not for me.

*been on vacation in San Francisco. I'm back now

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jaej

Technology?

I hardly think technology keeps "the populus well-ordered." I think what you're trying to say is that religion was always around to keep people in check; that is, religious leaders were able to bend and twist and manipulate their religion in order to govern and control. Maybe you think technology is what keeps us civilized now, but I would like to think that our minds have evolved and we are more enlightened now. Maybe thats what you meant by technology: enlightenment. Or maybe I'm completely wrong.

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jaej

Sorry lc. this was kinda mean

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lauraclay

I don't think we are more evolved and enlightened now. Evolution takes longer than a thousand years, and what is there to prove that we are? The only differences between now and then are technological. But, what I meant by technology is pretty much the media and forms of communication. The government can reach everyone immediately via television, radio, newspaper, magazine, etc. Everyone has the access to be able to hear the laws and the reasoning behind them. Before, religion was (among other things) a useful tool to scare people into doing the right thing. Also, technology provides the means for the government to know when laws are being broken. People don't need a fear of hell now to prevent them from killing their neighbor, they just need a fear of getting caught.

jaej

Meh. I guess. You just made technology sound like robots controlling humanity or something. Thats all.

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lauraclay

Nope, that's just how you interpreted it.

jaej

"made it sound like"

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The An-Jel

jaej you can't argue that technology is completely out of the equation. The sheep are being watched... but you don't think that makes it a factor. I respect what your thinking but what would happen to you if no God for sure was released from any kind of space you had. Your simply a mass of chemical up as I described above. Lauraclay... same thing... these people have nothing over you but sharing the same chemical make up. We would share the same Star that exploded a billion years ago.

Your already fighting and picking sides?

Whats going to keep you morally right with the others that you need to keep breed with, your children breeding with?

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