God...just read this and tell me what you think

THEWAULRUS · 12-03-2006, 07:47 PM

I am using the big bang theory here. Read "A brief history of time" by Hawkings, very educating book. After reading first chapter I came up with this.

If time was created same time as the universe. That makes anything before the creation of universe had no impact after it's creation. So that means "god" wouldn't have any impact if he was created before creation of the universe because he wouldnt be a part of it. If he was created same time as the universe, that means that he cannot be all-powerful because something much more powerful created "him".
What do you think of this?

THEWAULRUS · 12-03-2006, 09:34 PM

The big bang mus have been caused by something. So that event would be considered as the creator. So if God wasnt the creator, than something must have created god and the universe. And im not talking about a deity or anything. I'm actually implying that anything like an event caused the big bang. And If god created the universe, than after the creation of the universe he would not be able to affect it anymore or seize to exist. This leads me to the point of considering there was an event that sparked the creation of the Universe and God(if he exists)Considering that an infinite amount of time, or no time at all existed before the creation of the Universe anything that would predate it would have no effect on the future of the universe.This is all just my theory. But I am simply implying that time was created during creation of the universe, correct? Well if that is true, nothing before the creation falls into our time and cannot effect. It may still exist, but cannot have an effect on us or our future. This can be contradicted by simply stating that universe existed forever making it infinite, thus saying that it's creation is not possible.
#1 Theories are made to be prove or disproved. That means I cannot completely solidify any statement I make until i completely prove it.I am simply stating what my theory is and providing you with the reason I believe in it.#2 Nothing can fall into our time if it existed when timeline didnt exist.That would also negate the statement of god creating the universe.My theory is simply based on big bang and Kant's theories.Because that would be unlikely, for something to exists outside of our time line it would have to exist in a time line of it's own.Thus for something to enter our time line an event would have to happen causing those two time lines to collide.It would negate that god created the universe because there was no creation point.Now yes, that might be true but by our perception of things if the universe is infinite and has no "creation point" that must mean that there really is no creator. And all of the Holy books very written so humans could understand.
To see the whole thing go here Gaia :: What do you think of this?
This was posted as a compilation of many things I have said. Now if some of it doesnt make any sense, or repeats it self the link above should provide you with more information while I compile this into a large, big theory.

MickinEngland · 12-03-2006, 10:32 PM

It's pointless trying to fathom life and the universe because our puny human minds just aren't up to it.
Even Stephen Hawking admits he's been wrong in the past -

After nearly 30 years of arguing that a black hole destroys everything that falls into it, Stephen Hawking is saying he was wrong. It seems that black holes may after all allow information within them to escape. Hawking will present his latest finding at a conference in Ireland next week.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6151

Even Jesus knew there was much we're incapable of taking on board, he said:-"You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things,so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?" (John 3:12)
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord" (Isaiah 55:8 )

THEWAULRUS · 12-04-2006, 08:04 PM

I have made two very interesting discoveries during these few days.
#1 Theory's about God, I have developed a few about him and creation basing them off of what people actually think.
a.If the universe is infinite in time, which means it has no beginning or an end.If that is true than the theory in which God is an all powerful being who created the universe is negated.
b.If the universe got created after a Big Bang a few theories come up depending on how time was involved.
c.If time existed before the creation of the universe, than anything that is connected to our time line is part of our universe even though it was created long before. If this theory is correct, than the concept of God's existence is proven.
d.If time existed before the creation of the universe,but is not connected to our time line which begins at the creation by the way, then those events and things are separated from our universe, and cannot have an effect on it unless in an unlikely event of those time lines/universes colliding.
e.If time did not exist before the creation of our universe, then the universe without time would definitely not have any impact on us because without time there cannot be motion. The only way the "no time universe" would affect us if our universe collided with it which is a very unlikely event.
So from that we can conclude that if God did create the universe, he can't have any impact on us. Another conclusion is brought up if the question " What if God was created the same time as the universe?" That would negate him being an all powerful and eternal being because he would have a beginning and a creator, creator being a force or an event.
#2 Geometric theoretical definition of universe and everything in outside of it.

Geometry's basic unit is a point. It has no size/shape and has 0 dimensions. And there is an infinite amount of points inside a point.
A line is made up of infinite amount of points.
A plane is made up of infinite amount of lines.
A space is made up of infinite amount of planes.
A time line is essentially made out of infinite amount of points, being a line.
Parallel Universes are made up of infinite amount of time lines.
So since a point has no size/shape and it's dimensions are 0, you can substitute it for a zero in this argument.
Since everything contains an infinite amount of points, being a line,human or the universe a point is still equal to zero. Using the law of multiplication by zero, ZERO times INFINITY is still equal to ZERO. If that is correct than nothing exists because every value is 0, which is substituted for a quantity that does not exist or is not present.

THEWAULRUS · 12-04-2006, 10:02 PM

Another theory: A point has no definite shape size and can have an infinite amount of points inside of it. So it is actually very likely that the universe is just a point. And so is every universe parallel to it.

Sagacious · 12-05-2006, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Before beginning the examination of the evidence surrounding current cosmology, it is important to understand what Big Bang Theory (BBT) is and is not. Contrary to the common perception, BBT is not a theory about the origin of the universe. Rather, it describes the development of the universe over time.

Evidence for the Big Bang

It's a good read.

}SoC{Sumguy · 12-06-2006, 05:44 AM

well, if he's God, whos to say he has to follow the rules of the universe?

THEWAULRUS · 12-06-2006, 06:06 AM

That's exactly why god is illogical, but everything has rules ro bind them, even god.

}SoC{Sumguy · 12-06-2006, 03:15 PM

he does, says who?

if he's God, and he is all powerful, then nothing controls him.
you are not controlled by your creation...
God was not made, he is, was, and shall be forever.
God created time, and is not governed by it.

THEWAULRUS · 12-06-2006, 05:17 PM

See how illgoical that is? I belive and rely on my logic. Without I am nothing. So if something is illogical It doesnt exist.