Proof that god did not create the universe

neverforever · 03-04-2008, 03:09 AM

Ok here we go this thought came in my head and I can prove it using only a dictionary.

Quote:

Main Entry:
uni·verse Listen to the pronunciation of universe
Pronunciation:
\ˈyü-nə-ˌvərs\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin universum, from neuter of universus entire, whole, from uni- + versus turned toward, from past participle of vertere to turn — more at worth
Date:
14th century

1: the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated : cosmos: as a: a systematic whole held to arise by and persist through the direct intervention of divine power b: the world of human experience c (1): the entire celestial cosmos (2): milky way galaxy (3): an aggregate of stars comparable to the Milky Way galaxy 2: a distinct field or province of thought or reality that forms a closed system or self-inclusive and independent organization3: population 44: a set that contains all elements relevant to a particular discussion or problem5: a great number or quantity <a large enough universe of stocks…to choose from — G. B. Clairmont>

Ok so the universe is "everything" so if God is real he would be part of this everything so anyone that has a thought of God creating everything he also would of created himself. creating in fact an infinite paradox.

AB517 · 03-04-2008, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neverforever

Ok here we go this thought came in my head and I can prove it using only a dictionary.

Quote:

Main Entry:
uni·verse Listen to the pronunciation of universe
Pronunciation:
\ˈyü-nə-ˌvərs\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin universum, from neuter of universus entire, whole, from uni- + versus turned toward, from past participle of vertere to turn — more at worth
Date:
14th century

1: the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated : cosmos: as a: a systematic whole held to arise by and persist through the direct intervention of divine power b: the world of human experience c (1): the entire celestial cosmos (2): milky way galaxy (3): an aggregate of stars comparable to the Milky Way galaxy 2: a distinct field or province of thought or reality that forms a closed system or self-inclusive and independent organization3: population 44: a set that contains all elements relevant to a particular discussion or problem5: a great number or quantity <a large enough universe of stocks…to choose from — G. B. Clairmont>

Ok so the universe is "everything" so if God is real he would be part of this everything so anyone that has a thought of God creating everything he also would of created himself. creating in fact an infinite paradox.

this is cute, I like it.

greywolf90 · 03-04-2008, 09:20 PM

i guess that paradoxes like these come when when we give a concept like god physical qualities. the thing to remember is that if god did create everything that exists (including matter and physics) then i think the best way to describe god would be that he is niether physical nor material. just my speculation.

Jasen777 · 03-05-2008, 04:03 AM

Self-creation seems like an easy enough power to attribute to a god, considering what other powers that are reported to have.

JoeCamaro · 03-05-2008, 05:30 AM

If he/she created everything, then there was nothing. Where was him/her back then?

tom1223 · 04-06-2008, 12:48 PM

why does the universe have to be everything. There could be many universes inside one universe which god occupies

neverforever · 04-06-2008, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greywolf90

i guess that paradoxes like these come when when we give a concept like god physical qualities. the thing to remember is that if god did create everything that exists (including matter and physics) then i think the best way to describe god would be that he is niether physical nor material. just my speculation.

Ah so your saying god is a phenomenon so lets go back to my first definition yep its in there. would be in that. hmmm weird

and tom1223 im sorry i didnt write the dictionary so i cant make the universe not everything

neverforever · 04-06-2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasen777

Self-creation seems like an easy enough power to attribute to a god, considering what other powers that are reported to have.

thats a whole new paradox in its self. if he created him self he would of have to of been around to create him self and if he was already around he couldnt create him self ................ i rest my case

Lanya · 04-06-2008, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neverforever

Ok so the universe is "everything" so if God is real he would be part of this everything so anyone that has a thought of God creating everything he also would of created himself. creating in fact an infinite paradox.

Maybe a better wording would be, "At first, God was the universe. God then expanded the universe to include everything else?"

In any case, I still question that, assuming God existed, his powers would be limited to concepts constructed by his own creations.

neverforever · 04-06-2008, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanya

Quote:

Originally Posted by neverforever

Ok so the universe is "everything" so if God is real he would be part of this everything so anyone that has a thought of God creating everything he also would of created himself. creating in fact an infinite paradox.

Maybe a better wording would be, "At first, God was the universe. God then expanded the universe to include everything else?"

In any case, I still question that, assuming God existed, his powers would be limited to concepts constructed by his own creations.

ill give you that