romansh

There is difference between evaluation and judging.... I don't particularly believe in evil and its opposite, though wise and unwise make sense...
Plus it is not just Christianity that does not like me being judgemental... a far greater power - my wife - does not like it either.
Ultimately man will be extinct ... get over it. There is nothing wrong or evil about this! .... prematurely? A different debate.... but not the end of the world either.
Regarding coo-coo, my wife has not seen some of your longer posts. Sorry being judgemental ...
wrong ... devout agnostic .... born free, then vaguely Christian, then vaguely deistic, vaguely agnostic and now devout... (free again).
Correct. But what is the evidence for god = love? So far as I can ascertain .... the angel BIG SMILE.... this of course is subject to many interpretations. Either way I am not expecting a visitation soon.

I don't have a problem with helping fellow mankind especially those in need. Now how can I love an unspecified human being say in sub-Saharan Africa is debatable. I don't particularly disagre with your destination but your path is certainly not mine..... by that I mean not terribly logical.... that was being evaluating ...

all the best....romansh

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romansh

It's funny I have an affinity for another M42... the motorway that does not quite go around (not even close actually) my ex-home town....

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[i]Nicely put.

I'm not sure I followed here:

Who is 'you' in this statement? Me? Or the euphemistic 'you' of 'all you people'?

And who is 'they' and 'them'?

If I read it as, "Messenger won't know she had one (a message) if other people have not. The message is not for other people, it is for messenger. Other people can only offer messenger some questions. Messenger must choose for herself."

Responding to the first paraphrased sentence: "Messenger won't know she had one (a message) if other people have not," I would have to say that it certainly would help me to understand what's happening to me if there were other messengers I could communicate with personally, but not necessarily 'important' overall for the mission I've been asked to do. But finding another messenger to compare 'notes' with, would be a relief (Prophets Anonymous, anyone?). I mean I can find the words of messengers in books and other static works, but to interact with another messenger would be fabulous... if he/she was humble and respectful of an experience not his/her own, that is. I spent too many years embattled with fellow Christians and then even more years fending of 'witch wars' as an HPS to take condescension for very long. I think, for me, the sign of a messenger who had a message for me would be that they were kind and non-defensive about what they felt was their mission. That said, I would totally understand the icky place another messenger would find themselves in -- it's not a calm, laid-back position -- and I for one feel foolish and like I'm an easy mark for berating angry skeptics and that could make ANYONE defensive! We're all people here, ya' know? Messengers aren't better than anybody else. Hell, I think in some ways, we're some of the most broken among us. So, like, the type of person that would 'attract' the attention of an angel might not exactly have the personal fortitude to deal with the onslaught of what their fellow men might try to heap on them. Another messenger who understood that would make a dear friend indeed.

Onto the second paraphrased sentence: "The message is not for other people, it is for messenger." Hmmm... nope. Not my message. It's specifically meant for other people (and me, too, of course). I think it's a Christian tactic embedded in our culture that God's messages these days are meant for personal use and should be ignored by the general public and/or judged by clerical authority (and that is in line with 'messengers identifying other messengers' instead of letting people decide for themselves if a message resonates -- not cool):

"What is the value of private revelations? While not belonging to the deposit of faith, private revelations may help a person to live the faith as long as they lead us to Christ. The Magistrerium of the Church, which has the duty of evaluating such private revelations, cannot accept those which claim to surpass or correct that definitive Revelation which is Christ."
pg 7; Compendium, Cathechism of the Catholic Church.

While on the surface, this passage seems very nice and open-minded, if you read on you'll find that the only words "of Christ" that the Church will accept ARE THEIR OWN.

And, I mean, not to put too fine a point to it, AB517, but if one turns your words back on themselves, isn't it sort of a 'message for all people' when you declare to all of us that all messages are meant only for the messenger who receives them? And doesn't the word, 'messenger' denote a certain sense of delivering something to at least one other person? I don't think Big Smile went on and on for 189 pages about the Papacy to just make a point to me, right? I mean that's sort of preaching to the choir. And when he specifically addresses things to, "Christian men" or "the Papacy" are you suggesting he's just talking to me? Well, I'm no Christian and certainly no pope, so... who do you propose he meant?

And the third, "Other people can only offer messenger some questions." I don't ask for anything for my self here. I'm offering to allow people to ask Big Smile questions, (a) for their personal benefit, and (b) to offer credibility for an angel that speaks through me sometimes. But to be totally fair, ANY interaction I have with others, those who hear Big Smile's message and those who don't, is always a chance for me to grow my soul too. But I can think of other, non-publicly humiliating ways to accomplish that, thank you, so me doing this is not my idea of a stroll in the park, ok?

Sorry, feeling a bit testy about this whole thing. Not your fault. Honestly, I think I hear you wanting to just tell me your a messenger but are too afraid to sound, well, nuts like me. Just spit it out if it's true... I really will understand. REALLY. Trust that!

In service to Love
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And then finally the fourth and last part of your statement: "Messenger must choose for herself," and AB517 must choose for her/himself, and GX herself, and Romansh for himself, and Greywolf... and so on and so on. My choice was to seek ways that harmed no-one in my attempts to try to disseminate Big Smile's message. So I have chosen. And it's not been an easy choice to make. But here I am. And here's Big Smile. And here's his message to men about Christianity/Catholicism. Do with it what you will.

AB517

Parts of it are nice am we would probably better off if we all followed your line of thinking for the most part.

Your messager is just is not what you say it is.

Sorry.

messenger

I'm sure the others found that refreshing... thank you for making up for all the long posts I've put on this thread in my efforts to get Big Smile's message out.
I'm more of a housewife of trust personally.
This is the only time the acronym has ever made me laugh. But I hear ya' and I think we might have some things in common, no?
Nope. Sure there's some re-telling of how Christianity and its subsequent cultural influence got us here but... no... I'd have to say that Big Smile's message is clear: We have another choice before us and we can ask for better of ourselves. We can make the world a better place for those who will come after us and there are some definite ways to accomplish that. Does he comment on how to do that through Buddhism? No. He has a definite focus. The trouble may be that I have only posted a few Books. I think if you had the Book of Slaves and the Book of Rebels, it might change your take on the work I've been asked to do.
I caution you, as a fellow messenger (if that's what you meant to intimate, that is) that it's always better to ask then to tell. See how icky that felt? Saying it like, 'I'd like to know if you've noticed that you have a personal filter that may lend some bias to the overall message," might speak to my listening though, instead of just shutting me down. You don't know me. You don't know anything personal about any of the people you reach out to with your message.

Now, to clear that up for you, if you refer back to the very first Book I posted -- Hairetikos -- you will see under, "Gender, Names and Glue" that I specifically state that my input is in there. Of course it is. And it's supposed to be. Just as your bias in your message.

That's why Big Smile approached me and asked me to do this work... because I was already onboard in my heart! Will I ever try to maintain that this is the unadulterated Word of God? Answer that for yourself. Here's an excerpt to refresh your memory:

"What follows is a collage in writing of what has been shown to me by a 'being' not of this Earth, along with my own interpretations of what I have been shown and some directly quoted words from what I think of as 'God'..."

And if you read on, you'll see that I very carefully 'caution' my reader to use his own discernment.

Defining God as Love is a foundation, a place for those who labor under the Christian definitions and descriptions of Him, so that they can choose Him again. Too many people have turned from God because they turned from Christianity. One of Big Smile's biggest pushes is to offer a clear new beginning for the suffering Agnostic/ex-Christians.

"I must"? I appreciate where you are going here, I really do, but the approach is a bit, um, dogmatic, no? Ok, if I let go of the urge to throw away the statement purely based on its delivery, I hear you trying to tell me that it's a trap to think I 'know'. Look, AB517, I've said it so much on this thread, I'm turning blue... I don't 'know' anything for anyone else. I'm here to offer some signposts, some comfort, some filling-in-of-the-blanks for those people who have asked God for this particular message. If it doesn't resonate with you, it's really ok. Really. I'm not pressing anyone. I care, but I'm not attached to the outcome. And if that's not me finding Love in my "hellish" visions, then teach me more. I may be no follower of men and Man's ideas about God, but I'm listening. Because it harms nothing to at least listen.

Coming from such a tough customer as you, that is indeed lofty praise and acknowledgment. To your final question, no, the only place to find my beliefs is in my spirit and heart. As far as what led me here... gee, I just couldn't unravel that for you. I'm sure it's pretty similar to most everybody else who's digging around looking for meaning and purpose. Can I just say, I think you already know what I'm talking about.

Ok people. Fun is fun. But let me just ask a little favor: When referring to Big Smile, if you just can't manage to type out the whole thing, could we at least go with something like, BSmile or BigS or BSm? Anything but BS, please?

The Readers Digest version of why mistakes are good: They help us grow souls. If you want more, I'll just have to post some big, long excerpt out of the work and then everybody will hate both of us! Not that I don't plan to, since you brought up a 'need' for the Books of Slaves and of Rebels. But I'll hold off as long as possible.

No, to my way of seeing it, there is no ONE definitive answer. There's as many answers to that as there are people. Now, THE TRUTH about making mistakes, we're too puny to see or imagine the far-reaching consequences of our mistakes. That's when angels come along and try to help us find the parts of our mistakes we can master. But that's just my personal truth and it may only work for me. I hope it helps someone though.

In service to Love
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Hey, if you have something to say, why don't you just say it? What are you worried about? Looking dumb? Don't worry... I've cornered the market here! How can anything anyone says after me claiming to talk to an angel who wants to topple the Vatican be any 'worse'?

In service to Love
messenger

messenger

Ok, I read this post right before I went to bed last night and it floated around my head all day today. Sorry it took so long to get back to you but I had a couple of posts before yours to answer first.

Anyway, the reason this post was so provoking was/is that it brings up some things that Big Smile has shown me but I've basically refused to write about yet. I mean, there's strange and then there's, "Hell no! I am so not writing that down! And you can't make me!" You see, there's some details that link up together that entail the future of Mankind, our 'true' relationship to angels, what angels are, 'time'/space travel, technology and its uses in the service of Love, the evolution of some of the higher forms of life on Earth and our options as we go on into the next millenia as a species. It's all very ET sounding to me and it really is not my cup of tea. So I've been balking against his attempts to dictate that Book to me. But your question re-ignited the flame there and his words came rushing in again. Let's just say that Man has some choices ahead of him and God is not attached to what we decide to do. One of those choices is to leave the Earth and re-settle somewhere else. We do have a 'destiny' per se, ie, Man has as a possible future, the choice to evolve into vibratory dimensional beings -- angels. And since angels are not held to this Reality and Existence (BSmile calls that a Keeping) they can 'go' anywhere in the Universe -- including your nebula. I've been shown that the angels we know now, like Big Smile, are actually our great great great x 100000+ grandchildren! Also, I am shown that what some think of as UFOs are actually proto-angels traveling back in time to do 'research' -- much like archaeologists of today. It's all too hokey for me but I will do my best to do this upcoming Book justice.

So, I don't know if that relates at all to your question, but that's what's been bouncing off the insides of my skull since last night. Is there a planet that would support life in the M42 nebula? And actually, when you mentioned Orion, I think I should just tell you that the other day, I was doing some research for a totally different project (nothing to do with BSm) and I ran across a website about Draco. Why do I now relate Orion with that? I can't remember -- do they share any stars or anything?

In service to Love
messenger

messenger

Agreed.

BSm tells me that evil only exists because men allow it to, and it only exists in men or other beings touched by the evil men do. Evil is catchy you might say. He also is definite about evil being actually pretty rare, that people use the word too easily, that maybe a better word for the things men do to each other out of greed, revenge, manipulation, etc. are actually 'wicked'. Evil, I'm told can be summed up in the acronym, "evolved volition to injure love" and the differentiating attribute between evil and wicked is that evil men (fiends) enjoy watching others suffer, while wicked men (felons) do the harm they do for selfish ends, without care if it causes suffering. BSm goes into fine detail about the types of felons and fiends we have here on Earth. He's clear about the damage that is done to children that turns them, through abuse and neglect, from either a state of original innocent ignorance or original innocent organically atypical, into adults who are felons and fiends. We can't 'fight' evil because by fighting it, it wins by default. We must banish it and to stave off the further propagation of evil, we are to raise our children better, and treat them not as second class non-citizens but realize that the future of our species depends on them. I could post the Book that all this appears in, the Book of Tribes, but I'll hold off for now.

Men like you and me will 'perish from this earth' ABSOLUTELY because we will either evolve or our line will die away and another evolving Earthling will take our place -- probably the whales or elephants (stupid, I know, but I'm just the messenger here, ok?). When BSm writes that Man must make their choices now, he's referring to HOW we will 'leave this Earth' because leave we must if our species is to continue to evolve. And you know Romansh, I don't think I ever suggested that it would be 'evil' or 'bad'... but people deserve to know that there's a few things they can do to make a pro-active stand for what they would like to become the future. You sound as though you've given up on your children's children's children... what we do here now, will give them better choices later. And it's not just the environment that's in dire need of tending to. We ALSO need to look at the state of our children and how they are growing up. ALL the world's children because as long as little boys in Chad don't get the things they need to grow souls, they will become the men who start wars and traumatize the next generation of children.

You know Romansh, if it doesn't comfort you to hear that God is Love and He Loves you, then you and I can let it go. How about this: In my humble opinion, when we expand our hearts to include the unknowable, the undiscernable, and we say to the universe, to nothing in particular, "If there's anything out there that loves me, please comfort me and help me..." then that's all we can do until word comes back. If your heart is closed, you'll hear nothing and prove yourself right. If you leave your heart open to the slightest possibility that something indescribably beyond human scope could just maybe be 'out there' (and right inside you at this very moment) loving you, then what have you lost?

Yeah, neither did I.

It's not about just putting a finger in the dike anymore. BSm's message is that we have to route out the big cancers like the Papacy. Helping individual's is wonderful, and definitely a service to Love BUT I'm not here to tell you to give to Unicef, ok? I think they have enough marketing.

And where have I asked you to follow my path? I've extended an invitation to people to take part in a movement that, even though it sounds possibly inane and too simple, will over time undermine the Vatican's authority. All it takes is one person on this thread choosing to follow through with the Megameidan Directive ONE TIME and my hard work here will have been worth it.

The Megameidan Directive is my objective here. I'm not looking to start a religion. As far as my take on God... do you honestly think you can figure Him out? That would be like pouring an ocean into a thimble. So, if the concept of Him doesn't fit in your head, you've proven He doesn't exist? Well, he doesn't have to exist for you, Romansh, in order for you to see the harm the Catholic religious authority is doing to our world, to the future of our children's children. Can you at least see the logic in that?

All the best to you too!

In service to Love
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messenger

From the UK, are you? Well, cheers!

messenger

Hi GX
I just wanted to let you know that I've read your latest post and I will tackle answering it tomorrow. It's super late here and I've had the flu for the last few days so off to bed with me!

Talk tomorrow, ok? Until then, be well!

messenger