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Old 02-17-2008, 02:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Just curiosity and a desire to start what I thought would be an interesting discussion. Those are the only reasons for most of my posts. Isn't that really the point of this forum?
I suppose it is the point of the forum...
Nevertheless, seems strange to me asking (a whole bunch of people who are not sure about god and probably don't believe is hell) to tell you whether god will put someone in hell or not. I presume you are asking our interpretations of the Bible?

Of course the correct interpretation (the one seems most logical to me and I agree with ) is that hell and heaven are just states of mind, here and now. We send ourselves there, depending how we react to the universe, not God.

May I ask which mythologies, you are familiar with?
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Old 02-18-2008, 09:19 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I dont know much about other religions, but i do have some basic knowledge about christianity.

First, which God ?

If we are talking about christianity, well, as You probably know, they have this thing called trinity.
God (Yahweh), Holy Ghost and Jesus. And this trinity is most definitely putting souls to hell.

Then we have jews, whose god is also called Yahweh. But there is no "hell" in judaism, the really, bad souls are destroyed.
I witnessed once, long ago, this conversation so my memory is little shaky here, but this purgatory idea is stolen from judaism, these not so bad souls, hang in sort of limbo or something, and then also they go to heaven.
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Old 02-19-2008, 08:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Cool Our mind creates heaven or hell

Religion is not the name of Hinduism, Islam, Christianity or any other. Religion is the name of exploration. Explore yourself.
Heaven and Hell are just the imaginations of the mind. There is not any Heaven or hell after death. It depends how much conscious and aware we are while doing our karmas and actions. Karma is every physical action that you perform from birth to death.

Explore and learn the art of meditation.

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Don't be a believer, be a seeker
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Religion is not the name of Hinduism, Islam, Christianity or any other. Religion is the name of exploration. Explore yourself.
Heaven and Hell are just the imaginations of the mind. There is not any Heaven or hell after death. It depends how much conscious and aware we are while doing our karmas and actions. Karma is every physical action that you perform from birth to death.

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Don't be a believer, be a seeker
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"If we choose, we can live in a world of comforting illusion."
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Old 02-23-2008, 04:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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"If we choose, we can live in a world of comforting illusion."
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Perhaps Chomsky should have written, "We live in a world with the comforting illusion of choice"?
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I've often heard religious people insist, in response to someone pointing out the imorality of a God who sends people to Hell, that God doesn't send people to Hell. I read a comment on the net from someone who called this response "BS". Does anyone else think this is "BS" and if so, could they explain why? Did God supposedly create Hell (I'm not that familiar with Christian mythology).
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God is Love.
God, who is Love, is the Creator of all things and all things in his dominion are subordinate to Him, that is a part of Him, not separate or beyond Him.
Love does not create anything it cannot Love.
God created you and since He is Love, He created you with Love, out of Love.
Love, real Love, never punishes; Love guides and heals.
God loves everything in His Creation without exception.
Real love never threatens (hell), never entices (heaven).


So, if you let just these few principals override fear, and exercise your God-given freedom to choose Love or not, your answer is self-evident.

Trust that answer if it makes your heart lighter. Love wants you to feel loved, not alone and misunderstood. Trust that too.
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"If we choose, we can live in a world of comforting illusion."
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Perhaps Chomsky should have written, "We live in a world with the comforting illusion of choice"?
I think big C would have proved that.
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Perhaps Chomsky should have written, "We live in a world with the comforting illusion of choice"?
I think big C would have proved that.
Did you choose to think that?
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Perhaps Chomsky should have written, "We live in a world with the comforting illusion of choice"?
I think big C would have proved that.
Did you choose to think that?
Please explain, im not so good in english.
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Please explain, im not so good in english.
This is a hypothesis (not mine)..... but I have to admit, the logic I find seductive. The thought can be approached from slightly two different directions.

The hypothesis: we have no choice.

and the logic/assumptions:

1) Living things are no more than chemical machines.The machines are made up DNA instructions, nutrients/nutrition ... food generally/programming. The programming comes in at least two forms, nature and nurture. Nature is our genetic code. Nurture is our every interaction with the universe... including parents, policemen, hot flames, ants, trees, heights, quantum fluctuations, food, books ....etc

2) If we think we decide or think we have made a choice somewhere in our lives.... start questioning where the inputs have come from? Then question what caused you to have those inputs/decisions and carry on from there...keep questioning the origin of your thoughts. Of course the infuences on particular choice grow exponentially and become unmanageable rapidly.

So exactly how did we make a choice?... I certainly have to admit it certainly felt like I made a choice. But did I?

Hence my question .... "Did you choose to think that?"
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