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08-28-2006, 01:20 PM
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| My reason for not believing Ok, I'm going to try and make this short and sweet.
Basically, I was born into a troubled family. My dad has an illness called Epilsepy, which causes him to have seizures. These seizures come at random, and he has around 25-40 per month. Alot of side affects are caused by his illness, including mood swings, mild violence, 'unique' sense of humour, and slow reaction times.
Now, you may be thinking, what does that have to do with God's existance? Well, I was always taught at school that God created everyone equally, and that he loved and cared for every one of us. So I ask, if God creates us all equal, and he decides the appearance and general health of all of us, why would he wish such an illness on anyone?
Thats just an example. Many people say that God is also behind weather conditions, and growth. If this is true, why does he/she cause floods, and drought across the world?
To me, there are too many things wrong with the world to say it's been created by this super-natural force. I for one, have never, and will never believe in spiritual occurances, or God's existance. So what I'm putting to you is, do you have any explanations as to why God has decided this fate upon my Father, and many others around the world? |
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08-28-2006, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Papworth I for one, have never, and will never believe in spiritual occurances, or God's existance. So what I'm putting to you is, do you have any explanations as to why God has decided this fate upon my Father, and many others around the world? | I'm wondering why you would ask us why God does things when you have clearly stated you won't believe in Him no matter what I say.
Either way, I do have an opinion. First of all, I want to express that I personally don't know what you must have gone through with such a close family member being so ill. I know that has to be extremely difficult for you and I don't claim to know anything about how hard that has been. However, I do know what the Bible has to say about the creation of the world.
The reason we suffer, the reason we die and the reason bad things happen in this world is all becuase of our sin. Now i'm not saying that your father did something wrong to have this illness inflicted on him - not at all. What I'm saying, in an abbreviated way, is that God actually created this world perfect. It was man's sin (in Adam) that caused all of mankind and earth to fall under a curse. When we (in Adam) sinned, all that was perfect about the world fell. We brought sickness, pain and death upon ourselves. Once we weren't in perfect fellowship with God anymore, we were separated from him. That is what Heaven will be; a reunion with God. |
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08-28-2006, 04:28 PM
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| To me it looks like you are upset at your fathers illness more and used religion as the excuse. If science was so perfect they would find a cure for Epilepsy. But science just like religion, can not cure one's illness's.
Nor was it a sin of Adams that brought your father's illnes either. My question at hand is how are you a better person today dealing with your father's illness? Does this give you an empathy towards compassion towards people in periods of illness? Are you as quick to judge those who are ill? Do you blame the people that are ill for their past mistakes and that is why they are getting ill.
If we are all perfect why would we be here on earth? Would we not have stayed in the Heavens with God and his Son, Jesus Christ? I strongly believe that all of us, regardless of our lifes path, are here to acquire a body. To learn and use these bodies to the best of our abilities for the betterment of oursleves and others. Not to use them to belittle or demean others if their understanding, knowledge or intelligence are equal to ours.
Really I dont like certain things in my life. But I really dont others life situation or envy their lives. Maybe envy their wealth and life position. Big human error(even psychology would have to agree to a point with that - you know self acceptance)
You describe attributes of your father's illness with Epilepsy. How in part or in whole have you gotten over the hurdles with this. Did this draw you closer to your father or did it push you away? |
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08-28-2006, 04:46 PM
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| there is no good without the opposite, well without sickness, how can you loose if nobody won? |
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08-28-2006, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by IsMaR there is no good without the opposite, well without sickness, how can you loose if nobody won? | Good point. Without sickness how would we know we are well?
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08-28-2006, 09:55 PM
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| this is a tricky question. When you are mass producing anything (people, in this case) soem will have flaws (sin, epilepsy). So on one hand, the answer could be that this is just a fact of being in the world, that some are flawed int he production line. On the other hand, christianity talks in terms of individual attention from God, which precludes the argument of "there's one in every bunch." |
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08-28-2006, 10:05 PM
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| I really have to disagree with the "assembly line" mentality. You may pass over what I say but I truly believe that God really does care for all of us and has a plan for us all.
To go along with what IsMar said, how do you think we even know the difference between good and bad? Why is killing a human being universally accepted as being bad? It seems that everyone in the entire world would consider Hitler to be a 'bad' person. I don't need any example of a good person to tell me that hitler is bad. We have the standards for right and wrong already in our minds. |
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08-30-2006, 02:44 PM
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| hi It is not good to forget God. Because when you are in the womb of your mother and suffering from many worms inside the womb, and from many other problems, you have folded your hands and prayed to God to relieve from that suffering and promised that this time you will understand God and reach the ultimate goal of life. But immediately after taking birth you forgot God and started crying. It happens with everyone. This is how God created the system. But only a few fortunate people learn about God and try to understand Him. Others like you will simply waste time. I plead you to take this oppurtunity to understand God and try to head towards the kingdom of God. All the Best!!!! |
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08-31-2006, 09:02 AM
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| What kind of worms do people suffer while in the womb?
I wonder, sometimes, if there are any people out there who actually believe in god that think he is some sort of magical fairy that erases all bad stuff. It seems that only people who do not believe in him think this. Strange to me. |
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09-01-2006, 02:36 PM
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| fornls, what do you base that on?
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